Let me get this straight. Muslims have religious objections to going through machines that were supposed to catch Islamic terrorists? Yes, I understand and agree with the objections. But I'm still amused.
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Women refuse to go through airport body scanners
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Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners
#32How the air security organizations got into buying these machines without thinking through the implications is what I find ridiculous. I can understand a muslim women's (or any women really) objection where there religion says they have to cover their bodies, and now we tell them to go through a machine so we can see what their bodies look like.
"... How the air security organizations got into buying these machines without thinking through the implications is what I find ridiculous. ..."
There is a heavy PR campaign going on for scanners. I found this via Jane News Briefs.
"... Body Scanners, Security and Airport Efficiency A Message from BOZO Systems... Can airports lower costs, improve operations and increase passenger satisfaction - while enhancing aviation security? ... As the world's leading personnel screening technology, a NERK 500 system can be a key part of an integrated aviation security solution. Learn how a NERK 500 can lower airport operating costs and improve checkpoint throughput and passenger satisfaction. Our consultants can demonstrate how a NERK 500 can optimize checkpoint operations.... With the NERK 500, passengers get through the checkpoint faster: total scanning time far faster than competing millimetre wave body scanners. ..."
This is the message being sold to airline owners.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are assuming the random dude to be purely random which may not be the case... Plus using your logic you will not mind your daughter strip in a room full of random guys, hoping that will be the first and last encounter. Meh, adult daughters can decide on their own anyway up to what levels they are willing to make themselves seen.
I'm assuming the dude is a professional and is merely doing his job, like any woman shall assume her gynecologist is a professional doctor and not a peeping tom.
write us back when TSA & equivalent go through the same selection process as MDs.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are assuming the random dude to be purely random which may not be the case... Plus using your logic you will not mind your daughter strip in a room full of random guys, hoping that will be the first and last encounter. Meh, adult daughters can decide on their own anyway up to what levels they are willing to make themselves seen.
I'm assuming the dude is a professional and is merely doing his job, like any woman shall assume her gynecologist is a professional doctor and not a peeping tom.
Which makes you wonder what exactly are the requirements to qualify as the dude watching the monitor. First come first serve basis?
It's hard being a specialist but almost anyone can apply for security.
Well in my case if I had to I'd ask for female security officer (or gynecologist for that matter).
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#35From the article: "[T]hey were selected at random to go through the new scanning machine." Two Muslim women? traveling together? picked at random?? Really now.
In The Netherlands we have similar "random" increased security checks for people whom fit a specific profile, but the government refuses to tell what that profile is. Now, I'm a a skinny white guy so will probably never fit any profile, but the whole "do what we tell you to do and we wont tell you why" coming from a governing body really gets under my skin.
Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners
#36Guilty until proven innocent. I am disgusted at how quickly people give in to this. Go through the scanner/rectal screen to prove your innocence.
"Guilty until proven innocent. I am disgusted at how quickly people give in to this.
Go through the scanner/rectal screen to prove your innocence."
Do you have a better answer?
We are searching people before they go onto a plane. We can either have less security and potentially allow someone to get through and kill innocent people (which has already happened and almost happened on multiple occasions) or have body-scans and other measures to prevent these situations.
I have flown many times in the last year and I don't mind the extra levels of security that are in place. I think the real problem is that the security measures are working too well and people are getting complacent.
It reminds me of Y2K. After it happened, there were many people that said "see, nothing happened!". When in reality, thousands of people worked for a long time to fix all of the issues that would have been a problem.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
?! Not exactly sure why I was down-voted... This was a sincere question. Did I miss something obvious?
Your post is self-contradictory and illogical. You say to forget about privacy, then acknowledge that some privacy is important, then suggest that privacy invasions don't matter as long as they happen to a lot of people. Most of us recognize we're more likely to get hit by lightning while winning the lottery than be saved by one of these machines, and as such oppose their use.
"Most of us recognize we're more likely to get hit by lightning while winning the lottery than be saved by one of these machines, and as such oppose their use."
Do you actually know how many attacks these machines will prevent? You don't seem to have any facts to back up your statements.
In addition to this, the fact that people know that these machines are in place will prevent some future attempts.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forget about the adult daughters; what about children? Aren't these machines generating child porn every time a child walks through it, and turning the viewers into criminals as soon as they see the image of a child walking through it? Or do children get to bypass the scanner, giving the terrorists useful mules for carrying forbidden objects onto the plane?
I don't see how this is different from medical school examination. Should we prosecute all "child doctors" (don't know the exact english term) as criminal as well for seeing naked children every day?
"Pornography or porn is the portrayal of explicit sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual excitement." [1]
Doctors don't take photos (or other media) of naked children, so there is no pornography involved. Obviously if they do take photos, there is a crime. Likewise if they touch a child inappropriately, there is a (different) crime.
In the case of the body scanners, images are taken, thus it is pornography, and a crime.
And of course, MDs are actually screened and have thorough background checks where-as there have been multiple instances [2] of TSA employees not being thoroughly screened.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography
2. http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flyingwithfish/2010/02/05/tsa-...
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see how this is different from medical school examination. Should we prosecute all "child doctors" (don't know the exact english term) as criminal as well for seeing naked children every day?
"Pornography or porn is the portrayal of explicit sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual excitement." [1] Doctors don't take photos (or other media) of naked children, so there is no pornography involved. Obviously if they do take photos, there is a crime. Likewise if they touch a child inappropriately, there is a (different) crime. In the case of the body scanners, images are taken, thus it is pornography,…
"Pornography or porn is the portrayal of explicit sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual excitement."
"In the case of the body scanners, images are taken, thus it is pornography, and a crime."
Please read the whole sentence before saying it is a crime, unless you are implying all TSA employees enjoy sexual excitement while watching their screens.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see how this is different from medical school examination. Should we prosecute all "child doctors" (don't know the exact english term) as criminal as well for seeing naked children every day?
"Pornography or porn is the portrayal of explicit sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual excitement." [1] Doctors don't take photos (or other media) of naked children, so there is no pornography involved. Obviously if they do take photos, there is a crime. Likewise if they touch a child inappropriately, there is a (different) crime. In the case of the body scanners, images are taken, thus it is pornography,…
What? Are you seriously saying that you consider all photos taken of someone naked and under the age of 18 automatically pornographic and thus a crime? Your opening Wikipedia quote even disagrees with that. If someone is incapable of looking at a picture of a naked child and not find it a sexually explicit subject, then the problem lies very much with them and they really should consider getting help