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Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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post #6

So you can refuse to go do it if you are randomly selected and you just forfeit your flight. How exactly does that add any protection against anything? Potential hijackers can't just buy another plain ticket?

Yeah: http://www.schneier.com/essay-241.html

Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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post #8

Let me get this straight. Muslims have religious objections to going through machines that were supposed to catch Islamic terrorists? Yes, I understand and agree with the objections. But I'm still amused.

I don't think the majority of muslims like to be associated with islamic terrorists just as germans don't like their association with hitler, or we white americans like our association with past slavery.

Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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Am I the only one thinking "the hell with privacy"? I understand the need for a certain level of privacy. However people watching these monitors see hundreds if not thousands of people a day... Do you think they care a second about who wears a pacemaker, or a gastric ring? They might notice it, but they will forget it the second after, and most certainly never meet the person again. So tell me, how is it a privacy violation?

Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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post #2

"Security staff use the X-ray machine...." It's not an X-ray!! And I thought you always had the option of a pat-down if you refused the machine.

Are you sure? There are two different technologies being used in various countries for scanning passengers.

1. millimeter-wave

2. backscatter x-ray (low power)

It is not clear whether mm-wave photons can be biologically damaging. However, there are plenty of articles from the UK claiming that UK body scanners (at least some of them) are x-ray, not mm-wave. Are you saying all of them have it wrong, and that the UK is using 100% mm-wave scanners?

Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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How the air security organizations got into buying these machines without thinking through the implications is what I find ridiculous.

I can understand a muslim women's (or any women really) objection where there religion says they have to cover their bodies, and now we tell them to go through a machine so we can see what their bodies look like.

Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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post #8

Let me get this straight. Muslims have religious objections to going through machines that were supposed to catch Islamic terrorists? Yes, I understand and agree with the objections. But I'm still amused.

I don't think the majority of muslims like to be associated with islamic terrorists just as germans don't like their association with hitler, or we white americans like our association with past slavery.

Obviously true. However Islamic terrorists are clearly a subset of Muslims. So our liberal society is left with a choice between refusing Muslims their basic civil rights, or giving Islamic terrorists an easy way to bypass the expensive machines that we spent a fortune on to catch them. (Machines which, incidentally, are more used on non-Muslims than Muslims for the simple reason that the terrorists are able to use people who don't look like our stereotypes of what Muslims look like if that helps them bypass security.)

I find this kind of predictable policy failure amusing.

Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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It's just a matter of time before these body scanners are overruled. Personally I'm glad to see people refusing to use them, its just sad they had to miss their flights.

Last time I flew I had to deal with the body scanners so this week rather then flying I drove from Boston to Toronto. I ended up arriving faster then when I flew and I didn't have any of the hassle crossing the boarder (and I brought a cake, something that would have worked on a plane).

Re: Women refuse to go through airport body scanners

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post #14

Am I the only one thinking "the hell with privacy"? I understand the need for a certain level of privacy. However people watching these monitors see hundreds if not thousands of people a day... Do you think they care a second about who wears a pacemaker, or a gastric ring? They might notice it, but they will forget it the second after, and most certainly never meet the person again. So tell me, how is it a privacy vi…

?! Not exactly sure why I was down-voted... This was a sincere question. Did I miss something obvious?
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