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Airbus is working on Adeline, which would fly back and recover the first-stage engines and avionics (but not the fuel tanks) on an Ariane rocket. The Chinese have mentioned an effort to recover and reuse first stages by landing them with parachutes. So far, the Russians seem to think the effort isn't worthwhile. Closer to home, ULA's new Vulcan rocket is supposed to recover the first stage engines (but again, not the…
Wikipedia says Ariane 6's first test flight is scheduled for 2020, and Adeline will arrive between 2025 and 2030. Meanwhile, SpaceX plans to launch a Mars mission in 2018.
SpaceX lands rocket at sea second time after satellite launch
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I find your insinuation that by simply chanting U-S-A an entire group of people can be described as classless and without dignity to be troubling. I work at SpaceX. I was not born in the US and although I now hold US citizenship and consider myself thoroughly American, I usually refrain from taking part in these chants. I do this not as a kind of silent protest against them, but because I simply don't like showing su…
You said you find this criticism troubling, but then you said you understand why people find these expressions of national pride troubling. I think you're supposed to pick one? > despite the fact that I can see no way in which the U-S-A chants can possibly be misconstrued as denigrating of any other countries. I think it's about context, right? Many countries feel some imperialist pressure coming from the USA, which…
I tried to make it very clear that I in fact didn't find the criticisms of the chants troubling, and that in some ways I could even understand them.
What I specifically found troubling, and feel I articulated this quite clearly, was the notion that by simply engaging in these chants, employees were automatically devoid of class or dignity. Those were the words of the parent comment, not my own, and that is what I took issue with.
With regard to your second point I can understand why countries may find the chants of USA off putting.
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#443I always try to watch the webcasts and I can't help but cringe so hard when they start chanting 'USA USA USA', every single time. What is up with that?
As a Brit we don't have anything as catchy. UKGBNI, or even just UK doesn't have the same ring to it. 'Enganld' wouldn't work because we're too diverse. It would be a bit like the SpaceX folks cheering 'California' in that I'm sure a lot of them are from elsewhere. I've come across it in a few other contexts and I take it like a football chant.
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What numbers? Unsecured cargo is unsecured cargo. A metal object sitting on a flat metal deck gets tied/braced/chained.
how much money and time would a robotic lashing system cost? hint: a shitload. how much money would a few ditched rockets cost, in comparison? hint: less than a shitload would a recovery crew approach this platform in rough seas, even if a robotic lash were in place? hint: nope then what exactly is the point of securing this 'cargo'? hint: there isn't one. problem solved.
And yes, it will be secured. The previous recovered rocket was secured, this one will be too.
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please explain why this is a bad thing? American industry pushing the envelope and the people doing it aren't allowed to have pride?
Maybe not bad per se, but from a British perspective, it's certainly quite strange. I would never identify my own or my company's achievements as evidence that the UK was great as a nation. I'd be doing the same in whatever country I lived in. In some ways, we achieve things despite being in the UK rather than because of it. Crushing inequality, expensive education, corrupt politics, lack of housing. These are not ve…
The UK is still working out empire guilt, in the same way the Germans tend to tamp down nationalism because of WW II. I don't find it surprising, but I don't think it's healthy either. A little bit of nationalism is good for a country.
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Of course if there is any chance of the rocket moving, it isn't even safe to pull up alongside, let alone send people onto the deck to secure it.
There are protocols for securing unsecured cargo. Whether delivered by rocket or crane, things land on decks every day and are tied down by hand.
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This isn't my area of expertise and what you've said certainly makes sense, however from my understanding ship-to-ship, or in this case ship-to-barge, boardings at sea aren't without their own inherent risks. It could be that having the first stage untethered is deemed less risky to personnel than having a team of welders board the barge and tie it down.
If they don't need it, they don't need it, but I wonder if there would be any other way do the secure the rocket without requiring welders to board the barge. Coat the deck with solder and put heaters in the feet to attach? A robotic Roomba-style welder? Giant arms that rise up to clasp the rocket regardless of the exact landing position? Fun to think about...
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I can't imagine how anyone with the slightest clue could conclude that the first stage would sink the barge. The scales are just too different; the barge outweighs the rocket by orders of magnitude. I hope this is one of those "lost in translation" things, because otherwise I fear for that group of supposed experts.
> the barge outweighs the rocket by orders of magnitude The energy amount the rocket impacts with is dominated by its speed, not its mass. A small, fast-travelling projectile can make a hole in just about any kind of armour. The terminal velocity is quite low, but that's in part because of the way it is engineered — an ICBM would probably be able to put a hole through a ship deck with ease. There is a lot of reasonin…
While what you've said is true, in practice it isn't a problem.
If the F9 first stage is out of control and going too fast, it will almost certainly miss the barge to begin with. The barge is small, the ocean is big, and the F9 has to maneuver very precisely to reach it.
If it does reach the barge, it will likely be moving relatively slow, and thus is less likely to sink the barge, even it things go crazy at the last moment.
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Pre paywall ""Europe must take stock of what is happening in the United States , because if nothing is done , in ten years, our launcher sector will be in big trouble. " Faced with the offensive for two and a half years in the space by Elon Musk , who breaks the prices of commercial satellite launches, Arianespace boss Stephane Israel sounds alarm . The distortion of competition will intensify as the founder of Space…
Why should we care. I see no benfit in government funded rockets. I much rather see ESA buy launches on a competitive market. The should invest in innovative new missions instead of an ill fated attempted to beat comercial producers at rocket development. Other then subsadising your own industry and for military reasons, their is no argument for making your own rockets. Both those are terrible arguments.
I mean it's not as if Ariane 6 is being built entirely by government money. It's more complicated than that. As a matter of fact, a new company Airbus Safran Launches[1] has recently been created out of the two big aerospace companies and is working mostly on Ariane 6. As I understand it, the CEO of Arianespace is calling for more initiatives like these.
It's a bit like with aerospace, when Boeing started building big airlines, European companies gathered and formed Airbus. They were not government owned but I supposed the government did intervene some way or an other considering it was a strategically crucial economic sector.
Also, whether the government funds an aerospace company is a bit blurry. SpaceX is privately owned but its major client is the government and, as Stephane Israël often complains about, they get extremely advantageous and arguably unfair contracts notably with the US military. It's kind of a government funding in disguise.
That being said, money is not the only issue here. The big thing SpaceX has is passion : since those guys think they're basically saving the world or something, they work much harder than anyone in Europe. I mean it's surely much easier for an engineer to keep working late at night when he thinks that his work will allow man to walk on mars and save the human race from extinction. That's the only way I can explain the extreme speed at which they're making progress when compared to what is done in Europe.
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#450I always try to watch the webcasts and I can't help but cringe so hard when they start chanting 'USA USA USA', every single time. What is up with that?