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Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by rjbwork » Fri, May 06, 2016, 2:39 AM UTC

taspeotis wrote: post #184

rjbwork wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm slightly confused...you think the multiple users RDPing into it will cause an increase in cost if you go 100% legit? The price of the windows OS is priced into the Azure hosting costs. Windows vms are a bit more expensive than linux ones for this reason.

Remote Desktop on Azure is a bit of a licensing nightmare. See this [1] old blog post: > Effective January 1, 2014, Volume Licensing customers who have active Software Assurance on their RDS User CALs are entitled to RDS CAL Extended Rights, which allow use of their RDS User CAL with Software Assurance against a Windows Server running on Windows Azure Licensing costs for Remote Desktop Services (not Azure RemoteApp)…

So... does that mean you can't RDP into your machine to do administrative stuff?

EDIT: Oh i see, ONLY administrative stuff if you need more than 2 users.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by pritambaral » Fri, May 06, 2016, 2:43 AM UTC

TylerE wrote: post #175

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #169

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> When put together it really does work beautifully. Except for the forced reboots because their OS still can't completely update itself at run time.

Neither can Linux or OS X.

Linux goes a long way towards updating while running. In fact, in my seven years of administering Linux – and my distro updates once a week – I never had to reboot to continue an update. Every update - during and after - I could continue using my system exactly as I was using it before.

Enterprise Linux also has the feature of updating the kernel on-the-fly. The infrastructure for it has been open-source, and anyone could build a similar service for themselves if they wanted.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by criddell » Fri, May 06, 2016, 2:50 AM UTC

hackuser wrote: post #129

jrcii wrote: post #54

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I lived through the exact same disaster. I spent HOURS on the phone trying to acquire a license for Windows 7 Enterprise, I needed it for Hyper-V. Microsoft's main number, dead-end IVR system. Tried the Microsoft Store, they routed me to the dead-end IVR system. 50 or so minutes after my initial attempt I got some person that could barely speak English from India routing me to a voicemail, a couple of times Microsoft…

Unfortunately, that is common with many large companies, including Microsoft. I've practically begged them to take my money but sometimes nobody seems to know how to do it.

In the past I've heard that if you need an XP license and Microsoft won't sell one, installed a pirated version of XP and then let it do it's genuine windows check, which will fail. Right after it fails, you are given a way to actually pay for a license. I'm guessing this no longer works, but it did for a while.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by pritambaral » Fri, May 06, 2016, 2:51 AM UTC

jheriko wrote: post #163

the criticism here is imo unfounded. MS are exceptionally supportive of developers in my experience, and this feels like part of that. since blocking access to the store is in fact an enterprise requirement... why not restrict it to the enterprise edition? ... and besides that. how about employers trusting their employees anyway? this is much less than what other platform holders have done in this respect too... Appl…

> MS are exceptionally supportive of developers in my experience, and this feels like part of that

That's a reasoning that does not justify the act. "We are friendly to developers" should not translate to "Users, you don't get to control your own computers (as much)".

> how about employers trusting their employees anyway?

Wut? That is a terrible argument, it does nothing to contribute to the discussion – which is about a recent Microsoft act, policy, and behaviour, and instead tries to swerve the discussion away from it into unrelated, unagreeable sociological and human-resource-management points.

> is much less than what other platform holders have done in this respect too

Doesn't excuse Microsoft

> Apple being foremost amongst the worst in this category - and yet still receiving fanboy support

Are they receiving support for a similar action. Support for an unrelated action is inadmissible here, because a corporation can be condemned for one thing and praised for another.

Plus, is it the same people doing both the Apple-praising and the MS-bashing?

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by criddell » Fri, May 06, 2016, 2:54 AM UTC

hackuser wrote: post #123

zem wrote: post #43

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do laptops with linux preloaded on them not count? you can get a dell machine with rhel or ubuntu installed on it, and afaik you are free to do whatever you want thereafter.

> do laptops with linux preloaded on them not count? Isn't the bootloader locked down? Also, that's probably not a realistic option for most end-users.

If a Chromebook would fulfill their needs, then a Linux machine would certainly work. I think Chromebooks are currently the best selling computers on Amazon.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by tanzam75 » Fri, May 06, 2016, 2:58 AM UTC

jrcii wrote: post #54

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

If Microsoft wants SMBs to use Enterprise then make the Enterprise edition more easily available to SMBs, don't try to force them to move to it by making petty little changes to make their life more difficult. I can go on the Google Apps website right now and buy myself seats with a few clicks and a few minutes. If I want to buy Windows Enterprise licenses it will take weeks, cost an unclear amount (at the onset), an…

I lived through the exact same disaster. I spent HOURS on the phone trying to acquire a license for Windows 7 Enterprise, I needed it for Hyper-V. Microsoft's main number, dead-end IVR system. Tried the Microsoft Store, they routed me to the dead-end IVR system. 50 or so minutes after my initial attempt I got some person that could barely speak English from India routing me to a voicemail, a couple of times Microsoft…

> I spent HOURS on the phone trying to acquire a license for Windows 7 Enterprise, I needed it for Hyper-V.

I'm not sure why you're trying to do that.

Windows 7 cannot run Hyper-V. You can install the Hyper-V Manager on Windows 7, but that only requires Pro or Ultimate. [1]

Client Hyper-V was only added in Windows 8, and you only need Pro. [2]

[1] https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/f0f1dc3d-9...

[2] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2011/09/07/bringing-hype...

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by jrcii » Fri, May 06, 2016, 3:02 AM UTC

tanzam75 wrote: post #196

jrcii wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived through the exact same disaster. I spent HOURS on the phone trying to acquire a license for Windows 7 Enterprise, I needed it for Hyper-V. Microsoft's main number, dead-end IVR system. Tried the Microsoft Store, they routed me to the dead-end IVR system. 50 or so minutes after my initial attempt I got some person that could barely speak English from India routing me to a voicemail, a couple of times Microsoft…

> I spent HOURS on the phone trying to acquire a license for Windows 7 Enterprise, I needed it for Hyper-V. I'm not sure why you're trying to do that. Windows 7 cannot run Hyper-V. You can install the Hyper-V Manager on Windows 7, but that only requires Pro or Ultimate. [1] Client Hyper-V was only added in Windows 8, and you only need Pro. [2] [1] https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/f0f1dc3d-9... [2] ht…

Windows 7 was the VM, not the host.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 06, 2016, 3:02 AM UTC

pritambaral wrote: post #192

TylerE wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither can Linux or OS X.

Linux goes a long way towards updating while running. In fact, in my seven years of administering Linux – and my distro updates once a week – I never had to reboot to continue an update. Every update - during and after - I could continue using my system exactly as I was using it before. Enterprise Linux also has the feature of updating the kernel on-the-fly. The infrastructure for it has been open-source, and anyone…

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Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by tanzam75 » Fri, May 06, 2016, 3:27 AM UTC

jrcii wrote: post #197

tanzam75 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I spent HOURS on the phone trying to acquire a license for Windows 7 Enterprise, I needed it for Hyper-V. I'm not sure why you're trying to do that. Windows 7 cannot run Hyper-V. You can install the Hyper-V Manager on Windows 7, but that only requires Pro or Ultimate. [1] Client Hyper-V was only added in Windows 8, and you only need Pro. [2] [1] https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/f0f1dc3d-9... [2] ht…

Windows 7 was the VM, not the host.

> Windows 7 was the VM, not the host.

Oh. Then I agree with you that Microsoft screwed up the licensing -- but it's a different screw-up.

Windows 7 Ultimate is just like Windows 7 Enterprise, except for the virtualization rights. With Enterprise, each license allows 4 concurrent VMs. With Ultimate, you only get one.

The original idea of Ultimate was to be a consumer version of Enterprise. You didn't have to go through a salesman. You could just buy Ultimate on Newegg or Amazon.

However, Microsoft crippled Ultimate by putting in the 1-VM restriction. Considering how much Ultimate cost, this was a really cheap move on Microsoft's part.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by taspeotis » Fri, May 06, 2016, 3:42 AM UTC

rjbwork wrote: post #191

taspeotis wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remote Desktop on Azure is a bit of a licensing nightmare. See this [1] old blog post: > Effective January 1, 2014, Volume Licensing customers who have active Software Assurance on their RDS User CALs are entitled to RDS CAL Extended Rights, which allow use of their RDS User CAL with Software Assurance against a Windows Server running on Windows Azure Licensing costs for Remote Desktop Services (not Azure RemoteApp)…

So... does that mean you can't RDP into your machine to do administrative stuff? EDIT: Oh i see, ONLY administrative stuff if you need more than 2 users.

The admin. connections are free of licensing restrictions, anything beyond that is a PITA (on Azure).