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Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by jethro_tell »

TillE wrote: post #176
jethro_tell wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side note, but I've thought about this and wondered the same thing. Where do you keep 500M? In your house on an offline hard disk that can be stolen? In a safe deposit box? This is a true data backup scenario where too few copies and you're in trouble and too many and you're in trouble. Especially since a copy that was found without your knowledge could ruin things before you knew.

In your head. Or rather, you encrypt all your super secret private data with a good password that you never write down, and copy the encrypted archive everywhere.

This assumes your encryption scheme is perfect and will be for the life of the secret. With 500MM it would take you a minute to move or spend it so you have to protect against someone getting the secret and being able to break it in 10 years or whatever.

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Post by rdtsc »

crystalmeph wrote: post #17

Tin-foil, but if I were Satoshi and wanted to remain anonymous, and some journalists started snooping around, one way to shut them down would be to publicly post a "proof" that seems technical enough to get the reporters to run out screaming "we got him!" but falls apart once more technical people start investigating...

> if I were Satoshi and wanted to remain anonymous,

That discounts the fact that nobody would be able to figure it out. You did though, and I've heard that theory before as well.

Then also unless real Satoshi issues a statement saying "I am not this guy", people will always keep an eye on this clown. Always watching his moves and suspecting him.

Now, maybe if he was the real Satoshi as your are claiming he should then issue a statement that he isn't. That'll surely misdirect things a bit. "We've heard right from Satoshi that this isn't Satoshi, so ok, just a crazy guy". But then again, same trap, that is what Satoshi might be experted to do if he was hiding and trying to misdirect the public. And we got another twist in the spiral and so on...

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

Aelinsaar wrote: post #189
tyingq wrote: post #153

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There appears to be significant overlap with the narcissist checklist and a "revered tech leader checklist" (Jobs, Musk, Page, Zuckerberg, etc).

Steve Jobs in his relationships with friends and family, and his own self-destructive (ultimately fatally destructive) streak screams full blown sociopath and always has. Then again, he might just have been a really shitty person without a personality disorder to explain it.

>and his own self-destructive (ultimately fatally destructive) streak screams full blown sociopath and always has.

I think there was more narcissism than sociopathy.

Sociopaths have a sadistic streak. They enjoy fucking with people's heads, lying to them, and destroying them. Nothing on earth makes a sociopath happier than the knowledge that they've screwed someone over.

They're actually more like human relationship trolls - from the "soft" versions who enjoy lying and cheating, to the much rarer dangerously criminal types who enjoy torture.

Narcissists simply don't care about other people. They don't enjoy torturing others - they don't think of them at all, except as an occasional inconvenience, or (ideally) as a source of praise and limitless support.

The Jobs dedication to getting noticed by the world for being "insanely great" combined with his tendency to use employees and customers to build up his self-image without being interested in them beyond that seems more like classic narcissism to me.

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Post by developer2 »

Aelinsaar wrote: post #249
developer2 wrote: post #224

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There's a possible simpler explanation: his work was always priority #1 for him, and he completely buried his head in it, to the detriment of everything else. Of course, now I'm also speculating some bullshit about someone I've never met. It's always interesting to watch people try to label others without having known them. And no, "had lunch with him once" or "heard him speak at a conference" does not mean you know…

The line between "Personality Type" and "Sociopath" isn't clear. There is even a school of thought that the latter is more rightly one of the former, than a disorder. Personality Disorders in general are difficult, and different compared to something like say, depression or psychosis. One possible reason is that they do not represent true disorder, but as you say, different "styles". The question then, of when and if…

My problem with something like "Personality Disorders" is that the definition and categories are determined by people who are deciding what is normal vs. what is abnormal or an imbalance. It doesn't matter if you can observe chemical differences in the brain; why are some common "configurations" categorized as being unbalanced? It's just a different configuration, and who's to say whether it's normal or not?

Labelling the people who do not appear to be afflicted by certain behaviours as normal, and labelling everyone else as something else bothers me. Doubly so when you're talking about something like depression that supposedly affects millions. Having a dismal outlook on life based on how our society operates (capitalism, dead-end jobs, government, lack of community, etc.) isn't a disease; it's just how some people see the world that we are forced to participate in with no choice of alternatives.

I don't buy into this mental illness craze that is sweeping across developed countries. When you have 10-20%+ of people popping pills for one thing or another, something is wrong. It's ridiculous. All the sheeple just take the word of experts who decide what is what. As a society we put far too much faith in these experts, taking their best-guess research and believing in it as if it's factually known to be accurate.

tldr; Our current understanding of the brain is nowhere near complete, and treating people for problems that may not actually be problems based on our limited knowledge bothers me.

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Post by johndifool »

nacs wrote: post #141
danielweber wrote: post #129

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First search for narcissist checklist got me https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-lo... If you toss out the ones about romantic relationships, Craig hits on most of them.

I'm in the Wright is a liar/con-artist camp but the items on that list apply to most "normal" people (including myself).

For the fact you mentioned you are included, it seems to imply that you are not to the extent for it to be meaningfully wrong.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #152

Humans are not monkies and never were. It is believed that the two species shared a common ancestor at some point. Edit: If someone has evidence otherwise, please post.

I think it was clear to most people that "angry monkeys" was a metaphorical figure of speech, not a serious assertion regarding the ancestry of humankind.

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Post by bduerst »

CydeWeys wrote: post #255
fucking_tragedy wrote: post #127

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The most damning: Seven transaction a second. You cannot have a functioning financial system that is constrained to seven transactions per second.

7 transactions per second is just a tuning parameter though, it's not a fundamental flaw in Bitcoin. The problem is being attacked from two angles right now: The release of segregated witness and increasing the block size. The real question is, what is the maximum real throughput of the system if we could adjust the tuning parameters to be as high as possible? It's well north of 7 but I bet also well south of, say, 1…

>just a tuning parameter though, not a fundamental flaw

Lol, that's the best "it's a feature, not a bug" spin I've seen on the blocksize issue to date.

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Post by CydeWeys »

bduerst wrote: post #277
CydeWeys wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

7 transactions per second is just a tuning parameter though, it's not a fundamental flaw in Bitcoin. The problem is being attacked from two angles right now: The release of segregated witness and increasing the block size. The real question is, what is the maximum real throughput of the system if we could adjust the tuning parameters to be as high as possible? It's well north of 7 but I bet also well south of, say, 1…

>just a tuning parameter though, not a fundamental flaw Lol, that's the best "it's a feature , not a bug" spin I've seen on the blocksize issue to date.

You aren't contributing anything to this conversation. You're misrepresenting what I said and you're even responding with a flippant "Lol".

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Post by bduerst »

HappyTypist wrote: post #246
bduerst wrote: post #168

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While some will disagree, appearances are important. Wright was [probably] trying to claim to be Satoshi to use Satoshi's bitcoins as collateral for something else. Bitcoin already has a reputation for being used in scams and illegal dealings. This con man being able to convince some major news organizations and bitcoin celebrities doesn't help improve that image.

That demonstrates a flaw of non-technological news organisations, not Bitcoin. The two Bitcoin celebrities had been widely discredited from Bitcoin ages ago. Gavin has not committed in a year, started his own fork of Bitcoin with 3% adoption. Jon has disappeared after starting a bankrupt for-profit "foundation".

Oh I'm sure those are relevant, but in terms of appearances, a con man exploited those and duped many people across the globe using bitcoins.

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Post by bduerst »

CydeWeys wrote: post #278
bduerst wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>just a tuning parameter though, not a fundamental flaw Lol, that's the best "it's a feature , not a bug" spin I've seen on the blocksize issue to date.

You aren't contributing anything to this conversation. You're misrepresenting what I said and you're even responding with a flippant "Lol".

You're demonstrating confirmation bias by trying to redefine a payment network flaw as a "tuning parameter", so if you want to actually discuss something, make a case rather than spinning it as something else.

I find your comment funny because it reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/whnms4CLJys?t=44s

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