Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof' • Hacker News Board

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by arcticfox » Thu, May 05, 2016, 4:36 PM UTC

crispyambulance wrote: post #155

nacs wrote: post #141

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I'm in the Wright is a liar/con-artist camp but the items on that list apply to most "normal" people (including myself).

Any psychologist will tell you that most people can't objectively evaluate such criteria for themselves. This is something that is best left to professionals who have experience with people that DEFINITELY have such disorders. I'm also in the non-believer camp, nor can I fathom why "Satoshi" would initially choose to remain anonymous but then decide to come out. What purpose does that serve? Whatever the case, all of…

Why bad news? Is basically irrelevant, now that he has turned out to not be Satoshi. The only way it would be relevant is if one of those early coins does indeed move, because that would drastically affect the number of coins on the market.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by arcticfox » Thu, May 05, 2016, 4:47 PM UTC

jbmorgado wrote: post #123

tinkerrr wrote: post #102

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Your prejudice against "Bitcoin community" is quite telling, given the fact that it took the Bitcoin community less than 2 hours to disprove the supposed proof and very few in the "Bitcoin community" would consider Wright one of their own.

They also don't consider Gavin Andresen one of their own then? Which begs the question, exactly what what means being "one of their own", and if they have any kind of plans to re-instate the Spanish Inquisition.

Gavin appears to most likely be a victim here, not a fraud. He made an enormous mistake in not requiring public proof before he posted, which he has since admitted.

It seems to me like the community's reaction to a fraudster was remarkably productive, outside of Gavin / Matonis getting suckered.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by arcticfox » Thu, May 05, 2016, 4:49 PM UTC

dpweb wrote: post #46

This whole "controversy" is incredibly boring. The real Satoshi would be able to prove it easily. Prove it, or STFU and we can move on from the who is Satoshi mystery?

It's not that boring at all. How did he smoke and mirror two of the best Bitcoin devs on the planet?

At worst, it's an interesting discussion of a con man running into a technical wall.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by jethro_tell » Thu, May 05, 2016, 4:52 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #101

brador wrote: post #52

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The Goodbye at the end is worrying, but he simply needs to do one small action to prove his case and put an end to it all. It would take less than 5 minutes, which leaves the question, why drag it on like this?

> It would take less than 5 minutes I wouldn't keep the keys to US$ 500 million on my laptop's hard drive.

Side note, but I've thought about this and wondered the same thing. Where do you keep 500M? In your house on an offline hard disk that can be stolen? In a safe deposit box? This is a true data backup scenario where too few copies and you're in trouble and too many and you're in trouble. Especially since a copy that was found without your knowledge could ruin things before you knew.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by arcticfox » Thu, May 05, 2016, 4:53 PM UTC

crystalmeph wrote: post #17

Tin-foil, but if I were Satoshi and wanted to remain anonymous, and some journalists started snooping around, one way to shut them down would be to publicly post a "proof" that seems technical enough to get the reporters to run out screaming "we got him!" but falls apart once more technical people start investigating...

This would be rather genius. And extremely unlikely, but effective if true and ever enacted.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by mpeg » Thu, May 05, 2016, 4:54 PM UTC

Tenoke wrote: post #98

Can someone please explain how Gavin can still think he is Satoshi? I am very confused.

People who get conned will generally refuse to believe they've been scammed, even when presented with evidence.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by tommynicholas » Thu, May 05, 2016, 4:57 PM UTC

danielweber wrote: post #135

tommynicholas wrote: post #112

To those of you who have never known a conman or someone with borderline personality disorder, this behavior might seem odd. To me, it's like looking at a picture of a dog and going "oh that's a dog!"

The best indicator for me was, instead of providing something right away, saying you will provide it "soon," and then waiting for the inevitable excuse when it doesn't happen.

Not just the excuse, but making themselves into a martyr SPECIFICALLY as the excuse. This type of person can never simply say they can't do something, they have to be larger than life even when failing to do something.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by bduerst » Thu, May 05, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

arcticfox wrote: post #161

crispyambulance wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any psychologist will tell you that most people can't objectively evaluate such criteria for themselves. This is something that is best left to professionals who have experience with people that DEFINITELY have such disorders. I'm also in the non-believer camp, nor can I fathom why "Satoshi" would initially choose to remain anonymous but then decide to come out. What purpose does that serve? Whatever the case, all of…

Why bad news? Is basically irrelevant, now that he has turned out to not be Satoshi. The only way it would be relevant is if one of those early coins does indeed move, because that would drastically affect the number of coins on the market.

While some will disagree, appearances are important. Wright was [probably] trying to claim to be Satoshi to use Satoshi's bitcoins as collateral for something else.

Bitcoin already has a reputation for being used in scams and illegal dealings. This con man being able to convince some major news organizations and bitcoin celebrities doesn't help improve that image.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by TheBlight » Thu, May 05, 2016, 5:02 PM UTC

neuropie wrote: post #140

It's very interesting that he asked the media to send coins to one of Satoshi's Bitcoin addresses, and that he would return them. All of Satoshi's original coins are Pay-to-Public-Key, whereas the BBC's money was sent Pay-to-Public-Key-Hash (P2PKH). This means that Craig would have to present a signature along with a public key that just has the same hash as the Satoshi public key, not a signature for Satoshi's publi…

To move the coins in a P2PKH output the signature also needs to include the public key.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by vertex-four » Thu, May 05, 2016, 5:03 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #153

nacs wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the Wright is a liar/con-artist camp but the items on that list apply to most "normal" people (including myself).

There appears to be significant overlap with the narcissist checklist and a "revered tech leader checklist" (Jobs, Musk, Page, Zuckerberg, etc).

So narcissists (as in people with NPD), if you've never had the unfortunate "opportunity" of being around one, are often incredibly good at convincing people to follow them. Take from that what you will.