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H-1B Willful Violator List of Employers

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Disney is not on the list?

maybe they don't directly employee the H1b holder instead going through a consulting shop.

As a former employee of Disney, I can confirm that this is correct. Disney IT goes through firms such as HCL and Cognizant who act as the H1-B sponsors. I'm aware of a very small number of examples where Disney sponsored H1-B visas directly, but those folks worked outside of IT and they did not displace any existing employees.

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It seems that opposition to H-1Bs is pretty widespread here. Do most people of this position also support deportation of illegal immigrants, and efforts to curtail illegal immigration? If not, why not? Genuinely interested in learning how those positions are compatible.

I think given Tata, Infosys, Disney and Edison electric's behaviour is plenty of reason for people to be critical of how we have setup H-1B. Illegal immigration is illegal so that is a purely indefensible position to have to be in support of illegal immigration. We have democracy and laws such as H-1B which allow us to bring people into the country on our terms (laws which require scrutiny from time to time). Any migration reform should be done through legislation not willful ignorance of the laws. Otherwise what use is the state if they cannot even do what they say they are going to do?

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A lot of consultancy firms abuse this system, BUT: not all H1Bs are "cheap labor". If you are not American and want to work in a tech company in the US, you don't have much choice: 99% of the time, you have to get an H-1B. I once got a position in a very interesting startup in Palo Alto (with a salary significantly above average in the region), and the company was thrilled to have me join them (because there really i…

Not that this is a good excuse, but for some Americans, their primary contact with immigrants is news about those coming up from the southern border.

I learned a lot more about immigration law after starting at a bigger tech company where a lot of my colleagues are immigrants.

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A lot of consultancy firms abuse this system, BUT: not all H1Bs are "cheap labor". If you are not American and want to work in a tech company in the US, you don't have much choice: 99% of the time, you have to get an H-1B. I once got a position in a very interesting startup in Palo Alto (with a salary significantly above average in the region), and the company was thrilled to have me join them (because there really i…

>99% of the time, you have to get an H-1B. Not if you are a citizen of: Canada : TN Singapore, Chile : H1-B1 Australia : E-3 Thanks to trade agreements

I wish Europe had a trade agreement with the US like this :(

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A lot of consultancy firms abuse this system, BUT: not all H1Bs are "cheap labor". If you are not American and want to work in a tech company in the US, you don't have much choice: 99% of the time, you have to get an H-1B. I once got a position in a very interesting startup in Palo Alto (with a salary significantly above average in the region), and the company was thrilled to have me join them (because there really i…

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/lawsuit-claims-disney-c... Disney laid off their Disneyland I.T. staff and forced them to train immigrants beforehand. Stories like this is what unnerves so many people and causes the backlash. Ignore it at your peril. Before this I would have agreed with you. After...

A company ought to be able to choose who they employ. What makes Americans more deserving of an I.T. job than a team in India?

You're not thinking like a global citizen.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you hire a H1B employee and they're gonna stick around for a few years. Even if the job sucks. Can you elaborate a bit more on this? H1b's are free to change jobs. There is nothing that prevents them from doing so.

People exaggerate this in both directions. Some people do say, inaccurately, that H1B holders are unable to change jobs. Others say that nothing prevents them from doing so. Both are inaccurate, though the also both contain some truth. H1B holders have some limited job mobility. They typically must find a new corporate sponsor, and if they are also being sponsored for a green card, they will typically need to ensure…

Thanks for listing it out. It's a shame that people in this dilemma tend towards hyperbole, even going to the extent of calling it slavery.

There are hurdles no doubt, but life is unfair. Deal with it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/lawsuit-claims-disney-c... Disney laid off their Disneyland I.T. staff and forced them to train immigrants beforehand. Stories like this is what unnerves so many people and causes the backlash. Ignore it at your peril. Before this I would have agreed with you. After...

A company ought to be able to choose who they employ. What makes Americans more deserving of an I.T. job than a team in India? You're not thinking like a global citizen.

A company may choose who they want to employ selecting from the pool of the citizens and legal residents of the country. Works like this everywhere in the world, why should the US be different?

If we want to go global, then:

- All kinds of jobs should be open to imports, not just software (let's start with importing a few CEOs from India/China, judging by the outsized salaries, there apparently is a severe shortage of CEOs)

- Let's open up all countries to everyone. Most countries' labor markets are not easily accessible to foreigners.

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A lot of consultancy firms abuse this system, BUT: not all H1Bs are "cheap labor". If you are not American and want to work in a tech company in the US, you don't have much choice: 99% of the time, you have to get an H-1B. I once got a position in a very interesting startup in Palo Alto (with a salary significantly above average in the region), and the company was thrilled to have me join them (because there really i…

It's especially bad when a lot of the reason for lotteries every year is shitty consulting companies flooding applications. Then they use the H-1B workers they get to help them displace American workers.

Meanwhile people who are just trying to legitimately immigrate to the US and join the workforce without really displacing anyone get to hear about how they are shitty underpaid foreigners who are hurting America with their H-1B visas.

:/

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People exaggerate this in both directions. Some people do say, inaccurately, that H1B holders are unable to change jobs. Others say that nothing prevents them from doing so. Both are inaccurate, though the also both contain some truth. H1B holders have some limited job mobility. They typically must find a new corporate sponsor, and if they are also being sponsored for a green card, they will typically need to ensure…

Thanks for listing it out. It's a shame that people in this dilemma tend towards hyperbole, even going to the extent of calling it slavery. There are hurdles no doubt, but life is unfair. Deal with it.

On a personal level, it is very important to deal with the unfairness in live, because as you've pointed out, unfairness is inevitable.

However, "life isn't fair" isn't a good mantra for forming public policy, either. One way to deal with unfairness is to fight against it rather than just accepting it.

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A lot of consultancy firms abuse this system, BUT: not all H1Bs are "cheap labor". If you are not American and want to work in a tech company in the US, you don't have much choice: 99% of the time, you have to get an H-1B. I once got a position in a very interesting startup in Palo Alto (with a salary significantly above average in the region), and the company was thrilled to have me join them (because there really i…

>It baffles me that some people believe most non-American employees are just "cheap labor". It is not a "belief" because they are cheaper. Everytime this topic comes up, a bunch of Ph.D's are shocked, SHOCKED! to learn that there are companies abusing the system and to learn that Infosys, Wipro and Tata are the leading H1-B Sponsors with an average salary of ~$73,000 http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sp…

I think the just part is important.
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