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Apple Stole My Music

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Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by JadeNB »

jlg23 wrote: post #79
delinka wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer..." Well, to save precious local storage space of course. Apple's just being helpful here. But seriously, sounds like a "good idea" gone wrong - "I know! Let's save the user some space by serving all their music from the cloud!" The moment that file deletion came up in the design, the option to opt-in should have been…

The funny thing is: Disk space is only worth more than bandwidth in a few select 1st-world countries. I've been traveling in rural areas of South America for about 18 months now and regularly I had to turn off my MacBook because its automatic update "features" were consuming all of the available bandwidth, making it impossible for anybody to actually work.

> I had to turn off my MacBook because its automatic update "features" were consuming all of the available bandwidth

Which automatic update features, by the way? While I definitely don't like or defend such features, all the ones that I know about can be turned off—which gives a more useable result than having to turn off the whole computer! Maybe my Mac is silently doing some behind-the-scenes updating that I haven't noticed hitting my data, though.

(Windows 10 is the real pig here, though. Bye-bye, option to download only on request! Bye-bye, this month's data allowance before I realised that it was downloading what turned out to be a huge update! I did eventually discover how to designate a connection as 'metred', a nice feature that I wish Mac OS had.)

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by noonespecial »

Freaky wrote: post #243
noonespecial wrote: post #230

Sounds harsh but all I read was that someone had 122 gig worth of files they considered precious to them and no backup . Computer systems fail for all kinds of stupid reasons. What will you do when that disk fails? I admit this is a particularly stupid and infuriating reason for data loss, but how little would it cost to have a backup of 122gb?

" I recovered my original music files only by using a backup I made "

Ah. I saw they part about needing 30 hours to redownload his collection and thought this was his recovery strategy.

So it all factors down to "this software didn't do what I thought it would; had to restore from backup. Careful everyone" but was then radically over dramatized with "Apple stole all my music!!!"

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by JadeNB »

dingo_bat wrote: post #46
delinka wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer..." Well, to save precious local storage space of course. Apple's just being helpful here. But seriously, sounds like a "good idea" gone wrong - "I know! Let's save the user some space by serving all their music from the cloud!" The moment that file deletion came up in the design, the option to opt-in should have been…

> Well, to save precious local storage space of course. Apple's just being helpful here. Yeah, storage that was made precious by apple by not supporting an SD card slot. Very "helpful".

I think that delinka (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11635126) was being sarcastic (as evidenced by the next paragraph beginning "But seriously …").

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by rhodysurf »

Bartweiss wrote: post #242
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #179

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"You get scary popups that ask you a question and provides two options -- neither of which is what you want." This! One is something like "delete all the music from my iPod" and the other is "delete all the music from my hard drive". How on earth has this situation been allowed to develop?

I'd forgotten all about that question! It's like Apple never considered the possibility that you might connect an iPod and a hard drive with different files and want to keep the union of them. Similarly, the default setting where Apply tries to copy all of your content to a new iPod when you plug it in, in alphabetical order. I have 300Gb of music, you should know that won't succeed.

Thats just it, they done want to let you keep both files as a way to try and combat piracy (Multiple people syncing all the files theyve bought separately). Its really frustrating, and they will never allow it to happen.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by JadeNB »

ar0 wrote: post #65
SunShiranui wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It highlights a very serious issue, though - an increasing number of services use all kinds of crazy DRM that only result in great inconveniences for the paying user. Compare that to the relative simplicity of having your music, books, etc. as a plain file, and you can see where the problem is: paying gets you less, rarely more.

> paying gets you less, rarely more. I think you are generalizing "paying" to "subscribing to a streaming service" here, which I don't think is entirely fair. You can still pay for your music the old-fashioned way, by buying songs on Amazon MP3, iTunes, etc., which will yield you DRM-free, plain MP3 / AAC files that you can use where and how you want to (unless, apparently, you entrust them to iTunes and enable iTune…

> You can still pay for your music the old-fashioned way, by buying songs on Amazon MP3, iTunes, etc., which will yield you DRM-free, plain MP3 / AAC files that you can use where and how you want to (unless, apparently, you entrust them to iTunes and enable iTunes Music...).

This is true now, but it wasn't always; it's a hard-fought right that should be appreciated rather than taken for granted. (Not to say that you are so taking it, but a superficial reading of your post might sound that way.)

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by FilterSweep »

mjw_byrne wrote: post #233

I've been telling people for a long time to avoid Apple because it's an organisation which has demonstrated a pattern of contempt - to its customers, to its competitors, to the developers who use its app store and to the courts. The replies I get are so depressingly apathetic: "but the iPhone is nice"; "I like how simple it is to use"; "the design is so pretty". How can people be so easily charmed into bending over f…

Don't pretend for a second that Microsoft's "Telemetry Services" (and forced telemetry updates to Windows 7 users who refused to upgrade) or even Ubuntu's search tracking for Amazon coffers is ANY different.

Or even worse, the malicious firmware code shipped with some Windows-based machines.

The entire industry is fraudulent to consumers - turning consumers into products themselves.

With this industry, you pick your poison.

Do you want your hand held every step of the way in owning a computer? Get Apple.....or alternatively use the UNIX environment it comes with instead.

Do you want all of your data tracked, shipped off and sold to a company like Commscore or Nielsen that builds a dossier on you that puts Lexis Nexis to shame? Get Windows or Chromebook.....or alternatively install a Linux distro like Debian or Mint. I wouldn't even touch Ubuntu.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by IBM »

simonster wrote: post #163
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But from the article, Ms Amber said the SW was functioning as intended.

But other people have posted here and said they enabled Apple Music and their music was not deleted, so clearly this doesn't happen under all circumstances, and this wouldn't be the first time a technical support representative was wrong. This is a pretty extraordinary claim and I'm not really willing to believe everyone loses all their local music when they turn on Apple Music without more data to confirm.

Apple Music doesn't delete the original files.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204962

>When Apple Music adds these matched songs to your iCloud Music Library, Apple Music doesn’t change or alter your original music files that reside in iTunes for Mac or PC or on your iOS devices from which they were added.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by ambulancechaser »

onion2k wrote: post #5

I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer apart from an intent to lock the user in to the service by making it tremendously hard to leave. That's the black hole of UI dark patterns.

I uploaded all of my music to Google Play and deleted it off of my computer. When I get a new computer I only really need my google credentials and then between google drive and google play music I'm up to speed. I install a few packages and I'm at home. I have no need to keep my music there.

Thus there certainly is a reason to do this. Its how photos work on iphones and androids as well. You take pictures, they are put on the cloud, space can be freed up. Its not a malicious workflow

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by jontas »

sangnoir wrote: post #215
StavrosK wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anybody rationalizing Apple's wrongdoing here, though. Whom are you referring to?

I'm not OP, but I'm guessing they are referring to buro9[1], who posted an hour before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11635184

I'm not sure if that's the link you intended to post but I see nothing in that comment rationalizing Apple's actions, in fact it seems to share the opinion of the original article.
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