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Apple Stole My Music

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Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by SEMW »

buro9 wrote: post #34
colin_jack wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure it's the same, as far as I was aware Google photos never deletes the local copy.

On the phone, "freeup device storage" is an option that is prompted (and sounds like a wonderful idea)... whereby the phone copy is purged if the original file has already been "backed up" to Google. It isn't possible to restore the backup.

...And which gives you a modal warning box that starts "Heads up! This will delete n original photos and videos from your device". And will only proceed if you click an all-caps confirmation button labelled "DELETE".[0]

That's hardly comparable to Apple deleting things automatically, silently, with neither warning nor confirmation.

[0] http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/themes/ap2/ap_resize...

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by misnome »

SunShiranui wrote: post #11
yedpodtrzitko wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me paraphrase it - if there's a dozen of streaming services, and one of them does misbehaves, it gives you a reason to pirate? That's a really poor excuse (or if that's a joke, then it's a poor one too).

It highlights a very serious issue, though - an increasing number of services use all kinds of crazy DRM that only result in great inconveniences for the paying user. Compare that to the relative simplicity of having your music, books, etc. as a plain file, and you can see where the problem is: paying gets you less, rarely more.

> all kinds of crazy DRM

Like? I feel that we've reached the stage where it's pretty easy to pay for digital music/streaming at this point. As far as saying that it's almost entirely easier than pirating music.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by colin_jack »

buro9 wrote: post #34
colin_jack wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure it's the same, as far as I was aware Google photos never deletes the local copy.

On the phone, "freeup device storage" is an option that is prompted (and sounds like a wonderful idea)... whereby the phone copy is purged if the original file has already been "backed up" to Google. It isn't possible to restore the backup.

OK get you, I personally don't mind that sort of thing if I am explicitly asked but I see what you are saying.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by coldtea »

DanBC wrote: post #12
coldtea wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I believe individuals caught doing that with movies have been faced with some hefty fines. I doubt it. The only hefty fines were for redistribution, not mere copying/download.

Apple are re-distributing. And they're doing as part of business, which usually tips it from civil[1] to criminal[2]. [1] I think the US term is "a tort"? [2] Fines and prison time, not damages.

>Apple are re-distributing.

Only to the user they got the audio themselves. Any proof they're redistributing random X users not tagged in their collection files to others?

In any case, the whole "piracy" angle is BS (not to mention it lacks intent and profit from explicit piracy).

What's at stake is plain bad program behavior -- deleting users files without explicit confirmation, making bad matches to different versions of songs, etc.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by dingo_bat »

delinka wrote: post #8
onion2k wrote: post #5

I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer apart from an intent to lock the user in to the service by making it tremendously hard to leave. That's the black hole of UI dark patterns.

"I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer..." Well, to save precious local storage space of course. Apple's just being helpful here. But seriously, sounds like a "good idea" gone wrong - "I know! Let's save the user some space by serving all their music from the cloud!" The moment that file deletion came up in the design, the option to opt-in should have been…

> Well, to save precious local storage space of course. Apple's just being helpful here.

Yeah, storage that was made precious by apple by not supporting an SD card slot. Very "helpful".

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by croon »

d--b wrote: post #18
croon wrote: post #10

Cue the Apple rationalists in 3... 2... 1... That really sucks, but I do hope you have a local backup and/or offsite backup and not mentioning that for effect? It's still amazingly evil by Apple, but I hope you still have your files.

He did, as per the article.

Heh, sorry, I actually did stop reading just at the middle finger, which was right before.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by junto »

SyneRyder wrote: post #19
onion2k wrote: post #5

I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer apart from an intent to lock the user in to the service by making it tremendously hard to leave. That's the black hole of UI dark patterns.

I imagine their thinking (as flawed as it is) is that it frees up local disk space for the user. If you've got a base level MacBook Air with just a 128GB SSD, maybe it seems beneficial to have a 40GB iTunes library stored entirely in the cloud on demand, and suddenly have 30% disk space freed up. Apple have a similar philosophy with Photos, where the photos on your device are just low resolution versions, with the or…

I'd seriously been considering a Macbook, for home use, mainly due to the iPhoto app, since on Windows there is only Google Picasa, and they've killed it.

If there anyway to turn off that syncing and keep files locally only? Your comments have made me rethink my upcoming purchase!

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by ApplePolisher »

buro9 wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that Google Photos actually does something similar... the photos are "backed up" even in their "original" form... but I don't believe it's possible to actually restore (download all) from Google Photos. I thankfully have a local backup of the photos I took, but when a phrase like "backup" is used, it is implicit and understood that there is a "restore" mechanism. Google Photos lacks a "restore" mech…

But it is an Apple issue. Whether Google does something comparable is no justification and does not make Apple any better.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by dingo_bat »

buro9 wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that Google Photos actually does something similar... the photos are "backed up" even in their "original" form... but I don't believe it's possible to actually restore (download all) from Google Photos. I thankfully have a local backup of the photos I took, but when a phrase like "backup" is used, it is implicit and understood that there is a "restore" mechanism. Google Photos lacks a "restore" mech…

This is exactly why I use OneDrive to backup my photos along with the google photos thing. I've tried explaining my logic to several people but usual replies are "but I can still see them on the website!". "But you won't have the image files anymore." "But I can open the website and see the pics, right?" At this point I just sigh and give up. Oh there's a download all button too, but it does NOT return the original files. All the files are much smaller than the original images.
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