Apple Stole My Music • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by Yhippa » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

rossng wrote: post #74

Every time I am asked to set up someone's Apple device, I find it incredibly difficult to: * Get it synced properly * Determine what is stored in iCloud/on-device * Ensure that device contents are actually backed-up, unless done manually * Set up simple things like email accounts Just a month or two ago, I was helping someone whose iTunes music wouldn't sync to their iPhone. It turned out that, when they signed up to…

I got my parents an iPad mini recently and some of the contacts on my mom's phone sync and some of them don't. I am a developer and love tinkering with computers but for the love of me not figure out how to fix this.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by vacri » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

sixseven wrote: post #95

rossng wrote: post #74

Every time I am asked to set up someone's Apple device, I find it incredibly difficult to: * Get it synced properly * Determine what is stored in iCloud/on-device * Ensure that device contents are actually backed-up, unless done manually * Set up simple things like email accounts Just a month or two ago, I was helping someone whose iTunes music wouldn't sync to their iPhone. It turned out that, when they signed up to…

I owned my first MacBook 3 years ago. To me, the MacBook "just work" as much as any new Windows laptops I came across. So I'm clueless as to where did the phrase "just work" came from. Maybe Windows has improved over the years, or maybe a lot of things are done of the web now, the OS doesn't really matter as long as there is a browser.

'Just works' comes from the days of XP and before, where every doodad you plugged into your computer required its own driver disk on Windows. Even if something came with it's own drivers in that era, you'd get an installer wizard that you'd have to navigate through.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:14 PM UTC

simonster wrote: post #144

funkyy wrote: post #75

I am surprised at people trying to rationale Apples wrongdoing by pointing at Google and bringing some crazy examples. There is no rationale in this - this is outright breaking your privacy and ownership rights. No terms and conditions can be above law. It doesn't matter what others do - Apple is doing those crazy things here and there trying to test the ground which indicates they are not pro privacy and pro user, b…

Some people in this post are assuming that this is something iTunes does to everyone intentionally. Other people are saying this is not something iTunes has ever done to them. I'm not sure it's worth debating whether this practice is ethical or not unless we know whether iTunes will actually delete your MP3s under normal circumstances. The one thing that everyone seems to agree on is that iTunes is too hard to use.

But from the article, Ms Amber said the SW was functioning as intended.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by ortusdux » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:14 PM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #138

iTunes is malware. It's the #1 reason why the first thing I do when I get a Mac is install Windows on it.

I have a VM just for iTunes.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by k-mcgrady » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:14 PM UTC

I don't see how they can say this is a feature - because it didn't happen to me. I have a huge amount of music that they wouldn't be able to match and they didn't delete any of it. Maybe this is because I'm also using iTunes Match. Your issue might be iCloud Music Library (not Apple Music).

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by mapt » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:14 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #77

mioelnir wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only to the user they got the audio themselves. How do you know that? And it is irrelevant either way. That you are the sole owner of the rights of a piece of music does not grant Apple an automatic license to distribute it "just to you".

> How do you know that? I'm smart like that. Or rather I have read in detail about how Apple Music works. Besides, the burden of proof is on those making that claim. > That you are the sole owner of the rights of a piece of music does not grant Apple an automatic license to distribute it "just to you". I call BS. That's exactly the same as Dropbox/Google Drive whatever making a copy of your files and distributing the…

The work was not merely backed up, but repackaged into a format that Apple is more comfortable selling in; .wav files were converted to AACs, and rare remixes were converted to the popular hit versions. The old stuff was then deleted from local storage without permission, which is intent to make these privately owned tracks an excludable good, not to mention theft.

A further problem arises when a user has a non-transferrable IP that Apple doesn't sell in his left pocket and some generic track that Apple sells in his right pocket, and Apple picks both pockets with the intention of becoming a redistributor. The user does not have permission to transfer, nor has he indicated to Apple that he's given permission, for Apple to acquire the proprietary IP and redistribute it. It is entirely plausible that this proprietary IP was never intended for sale, was a trade secret, was a nude tape, or was a classified recording.

There's all sorts of issues with Borg-style cloud IP assimilation under the "Fair Use Doctrine", and commercial usage of the IP for "backup" while simultaneously being a vendor of the IP (and competing products) make it unlikely that you could apply fair use credibly for something this expansive.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by vlunkr » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:14 PM UTC

yks wrote: post #92

rossng wrote: post #74

Every time I am asked to set up someone's Apple device, I find it incredibly difficult to: * Get it synced properly * Determine what is stored in iCloud/on-device * Ensure that device contents are actually backed-up, unless done manually * Set up simple things like email accounts Just a month or two ago, I was helping someone whose iTunes music wouldn't sync to their iPhone. It turned out that, when they signed up to…

No. iTunes is probably the worst piece of widely used software out there. It's just a UX nightmare, hard to grasp how to do things, almost impossible to grasp what the consequences of doing things are.

I swear iTunes used to work great. When I got my first iPod it did the syncing correctly and played music, and those were about the only jobs it had. It has since bloated more and more, I don't even open it anymore, it's awful on both windows and osx

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by sametmax » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:15 PM UTC

rossng wrote: post #74

Every time I am asked to set up someone's Apple device, I find it incredibly difficult to: * Get it synced properly * Determine what is stored in iCloud/on-device * Ensure that device contents are actually backed-up, unless done manually * Set up simple things like email accounts Just a month or two ago, I was helping someone whose iTunes music wouldn't sync to their iPhone. It turned out that, when they signed up to…

Yet, people still buy it. They agree to pay for a product, at a bug price, and ask for people around them to do Apple's work to setup it up for them, but for free.

And they find that very natural. Normal.

Like they found normal 20 years ago we had to help them with their MS product they paid, but for free.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by fernandotakai » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:15 PM UTC

buro9 wrote: post #37

nasduia wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you not just download all the photos through google drive in bulk?

I looked, whilst photos appears as a folder in drive, there is no option to "download all", and it would require me to load them into the browser view, select them, and then choose to download them. For reference, I have 125GB of photos since 1994 in there... it would take a very long time to select them all.

you can use google takeout https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by kame3d » Thu, May 05, 2016, 1:17 PM UTC

pjsg wrote: post #84

rossng wrote: post #74

Every time I am asked to set up someone's Apple device, I find it incredibly difficult to: * Get it synced properly * Determine what is stored in iCloud/on-device * Ensure that device contents are actually backed-up, unless done manually * Set up simple things like email accounts Just a month or two ago, I was helping someone whose iTunes music wouldn't sync to their iPhone. It turned out that, when they signed up to…

No -- you aren't alone. Whenever I connect my daughter's iPhone to iTunes (say to add more music) we take our lives in our hands. You get scary popups that ask you a question and provides two options -- neither of which is what you want. I don't know whether this is deliberate on the part of Apple to discourage the use of iTunes, or whether they really think that it works well and is intuitive. For anybody from Apple…

Talk about scary! I managed to unintentionally delete all photos in my aunt's iPad. All I wanted to do was disable iCloud backups. And I am a postdoc in a CS department.