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Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by jmiserez »

dingo_bat wrote: post #50
buro9 wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that Google Photos actually does something similar... the photos are "backed up" even in their "original" form... but I don't believe it's possible to actually restore (download all) from Google Photos. I thankfully have a local backup of the photos I took, but when a phrase like "backup" is used, it is implicit and understood that there is a "restore" mechanism. Google Photos lacks a "restore" mech…

This is exactly why I use OneDrive to backup my photos along with the google photos thing. I've tried explaining my logic to several people but usual replies are "but I can still see them on the website!". "But you won't have the image files anymore." "But I can open the website and see the pics, right?" At this point I just sigh and give up. Oh there's a download all button too, but it does NOT return the original f…

The Dropbox app has a camera roll auto-upload feature. It's reliable, full-resolution image file backup and works for iOS and Android.

iCloud Photos is the worst: Last time I tried to download all my iCloud Photos/Videos (~1000) from the website it turned out to be impossible: You can download a few, but after 200 or so you just get server errors. And it always chokes on videos, stopping before having finished downloading the full file. There is no bulk export option like with Google Takeout.

Now I hear that this is not a problem if you have the Photos app on you Mac (it syncs), but I don't have a Mac.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by firegrind »

I'm surprised that it's not the re-encoding of the victim's compositions that grab this headline.

Could I copyright a piece of unpublished music, then use the converted copy to show a case against Apple for copyright infringement ?

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by RoseO »

buro9 wrote: post #37
nasduia wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you not just download all the photos through google drive in bulk?

I looked, whilst photos appears as a folder in drive, there is no option to "download all", and it would require me to load them into the browser view, select them, and then choose to download them. For reference, I have 125GB of photos since 1994 in there... it would take a very long time to select them all.

I can right click my Google Photos folder and download the whole thing as a zip, just tested it and it works fine.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by bad_user »

dingo_bat wrote: post #50
buro9 wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that Google Photos actually does something similar... the photos are "backed up" even in their "original" form... but I don't believe it's possible to actually restore (download all) from Google Photos. I thankfully have a local backup of the photos I took, but when a phrase like "backup" is used, it is implicit and understood that there is a "restore" mechanism. Google Photos lacks a "restore" mech…

This is exactly why I use OneDrive to backup my photos along with the google photos thing. I've tried explaining my logic to several people but usual replies are "but I can still see them on the website!". "But you won't have the image files anymore." "But I can open the website and see the pics, right?" At this point I just sigh and give up. Oh there's a download all button too, but it does NOT return the original f…

OneDrive is horrible for backup because it doesn't keep any history of your files. Get a Ransomware on your computer, then watch in horror how your files are gone and how totally useless OneDrive can be.

This is why I prefer Dropbox. They keep 30-days worth of history so you can revert any file changes during that period. And I prefer to pay extra for the Extended History add-on, giving me 1 year worth of history. They aren't alone in doing this. SpiderOak also keeps the history of all changes from what I understand and they also do encryption. And Google Drive keeps history for 30 days, but they don't have an add-on. Note though that Google Photos can be downloaded by means of Google Drive ;-)

I did try OneDrive with a trial Office365 subscription, but I think at this point OneDrive is the worst option out of the mainstream ones. Besides the lack of version history, it also lacks a Linux client. One thing I do is to have a home machine that I keep turned on for having an extra backup, being synchronized with Dropbox. It also serves as a media box, but it's a Linux box, because Linux is the best option for servers, including home ones.

And it's not as cost effective as you'd think. If you look at Office alternatives and considering the OneDrive features you get, it's quite overpriced.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by ar0 »

SunShiranui wrote: post #11
yedpodtrzitko wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me paraphrase it - if there's a dozen of streaming services, and one of them does misbehaves, it gives you a reason to pirate? That's a really poor excuse (or if that's a joke, then it's a poor one too).

It highlights a very serious issue, though - an increasing number of services use all kinds of crazy DRM that only result in great inconveniences for the paying user. Compare that to the relative simplicity of having your music, books, etc. as a plain file, and you can see where the problem is: paying gets you less, rarely more.

> paying gets you less, rarely more.

I think you are generalizing "paying" to "subscribing to a streaming service" here, which I don't think is entirely fair.

You can still pay for your music the old-fashioned way, by buying songs on Amazon MP3, iTunes, etc., which will yield you DRM-free, plain MP3 / AAC files that you can use where and how you want to (unless, apparently, you entrust them to iTunes and enable iTunes Music...).

And while the book industry unfortunately hasn't quite followed the same path, there are still many great sources for books around that also provide you with DRM-free, high quality files (e.g. OReilly, Packt, lots of smaller publishers).

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by piyush_soni »

dingo_bat wrote: post #50
buro9 wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that Google Photos actually does something similar... the photos are "backed up" even in their "original" form... but I don't believe it's possible to actually restore (download all) from Google Photos. I thankfully have a local backup of the photos I took, but when a phrase like "backup" is used, it is implicit and understood that there is a "restore" mechanism. Google Photos lacks a "restore" mech…

This is exactly why I use OneDrive to backup my photos along with the google photos thing. I've tried explaining my logic to several people but usual replies are "but I can still see them on the website!". "But you won't have the image files anymore." "But I can open the website and see the pics, right?" At this point I just sigh and give up. Oh there's a download all button too, but it does NOT return the original f…

Wait. I assume even OneDrive doesn't have free unlimited storage right? After a certain limit, you've to pay. Similarly, if you pay, you can store all the photos in their original size (not the smaller max 16MP versions of them - which are free & unlimited) in Google Photos as well, and download when you want.

I store my photographs in external Hard Disk as well as Google Photos - because of the amazing search and categorization features built into it.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by piyush_soni »

ApplePolisher wrote: post #49
buro9 wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that Google Photos actually does something similar... the photos are "backed up" even in their "original" form... but I don't believe it's possible to actually restore (download all) from Google Photos. I thankfully have a local backup of the photos I took, but when a phrase like "backup" is used, it is implicit and understood that there is a "restore" mechanism. Google Photos lacks a "restore" mech…

But it is an Apple issue. Whether Google does something comparable is no justification and does not make Apple any better.

And no, Google is not doing something similar.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by NoGravitas »

delinka wrote: post #8
onion2k wrote: post #5

I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer apart from an intent to lock the user in to the service by making it tremendously hard to leave. That's the black hole of UI dark patterns.

"I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer..." Well, to save precious local storage space of course. Apple's just being helpful here. But seriously, sounds like a "good idea" gone wrong - "I know! Let's save the user some space by serving all their music from the cloud!" The moment that file deletion came up in the design, the option to opt-in should have been…

My phone has very limited local storage, so I can't keep photos on it. Fortunately, ownCloud implements this "good idea" basically right. I have "instant upload on WiFi" turned on for photos and videos. It uploads them to my ownCloud server, and then moves them from the system photos directory to its own directory if successful. It doesn't delete them from there, but I know that if something's in the ownCloud directory on my phone, it's backed up and available online, so I can clear it out periodically.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by josai »

dbalan wrote: post #51
misnome wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> all kinds of crazy DRM Like? I feel that we've reached the stage where it's pretty easy to pay for digital music/streaming at this point. As far as saying that it's almost entirely easier than pirating music.

Maybe in the US - but its not outside. I've been trying to play this streaming game for now 1. Spotify - doesn't allow you to buy premium (which is availble worldwide) if you have a non-US credit card. 2. Apple Music - is available, but I use a linux laptop. 3. Rdio - shutdown. The vast majority of preference of the the people how they enjoy their music makes put "friendliest DRM" in the leagues of Unicorns.

> Spotify - doesn't allow you to buy premium [..] if you have a non-US credit card

Huh? I assuredly have spotify premium on an Australian credit card, and I know people with it in other countries too. Spotify isn't even a US company.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by mioelnir »

coldtea wrote: post #44
DanBC wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple are re-distributing. And they're doing as part of business, which usually tips it from civil[1] to criminal[2]. [1] I think the US term is "a tort"? [2] Fines and prison time, not damages.

> Apple are re-distributing. Only to the user they got the audio themselves. Any proof they're redistributing random X users not tagged in their collection files to others? In any case, the whole "piracy" angle is BS (not to mention it lacks intent and profit from explicit piracy). What's at stake is plain bad program behavior -- deleting users files without explicit confirmation, making bad matches to different vers…

> Only to the user they got the audio themselves.

How do you know that?

And it is irrelevant either way. That you are the sole owner of the rights of a piece of music does not grant Apple an automatic license to distribute it "just to you".

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