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Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by renatopp »

Loic wrote: post #124
Dylan16807 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every business is there for themselves. But laws or rulings blocking access to any business are anti-freedom. It's pretty simple. Sometimes there are legitimate reasons that overcome that. But not with a simple communication channel.

I don't know in which country you live, but I am very happy we have rulings here in Germany blocking access to businesses if those businesses are not following the law. WhatsApp, even if a US based company, is defacto providing a service in Brazil, it means they have to follow Brazilian laws. Dura Lex Sed Lex. You have more context on the other submission[0] showing that WhatsApp had way enough time to take the reque…

This may work well in Germany, but here in Brazil everything government does we feel it's due to corruption or incompetence - and most of the time, it is.

Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by vertex-four »

ptaipale wrote: post #98
motoboi wrote: post #64

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Well, if they just had responded to the judge order explain that or explaining anything, maybe the judge would consider it. We came to this point because whatsapp do not exist as a company in Brazil and simply ignored the court order. Know they probably considered such orders may happen again and decided to respond to the order.

I am sure the judge has been explained, by newspapers at least. If he knew what he was ruling about, he wouldn't even need an explanation. With such absurd court rulings, it is clearly a wise decision to not have employees in the country.

I'm reasonably certain that the point of a court is for one side to argue against the other - not for one side to argue against what the judge thinks based on what a newspaper says.

If you don't turn up to court in the US, expect a ruling against you too.

Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Loic wrote: post #124
Dylan16807 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every business is there for themselves. But laws or rulings blocking access to any business are anti-freedom. It's pretty simple. Sometimes there are legitimate reasons that overcome that. But not with a simple communication channel.

I don't know in which country you live, but I am very happy we have rulings here in Germany blocking access to businesses if those businesses are not following the law. WhatsApp, even if a US based company, is defacto providing a service in Brazil, it means they have to follow Brazilian laws. Dura Lex Sed Lex. You have more context on the other submission[0] showing that WhatsApp had way enough time to take the reque…

Blocking access should be a last resort, for businesses that are doing something extremely harmful. It's a consumer protection measure, not a punishment. If a business is breaking the law, you punish them with fines and the police, not by redirecting the mail/phone/packets directed at them.

The citizens are the ones initiating contact with WhatsApp servers. They're the ones really being blocked here. Even though they've done nothing wrong.

> WhatsApp had way enough time to take the requests of the judge into account and act on them.

Sure they had time, but the request was physically impossible. What is supposed to happen if a judge demands a picture of you eating breakfast 8 days ago?

Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by Dylan16807 »

hanspeter wrote: post #128
zyx321 wrote: post #110

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For an apple to apple comparison, how about last year when Facebook promised to help Germany censor any criticism of their immigration policy under the guise of 'stopping Hate Speech'? Facebook aren't taking a stance against censorship here. They are taking the same stance they always did: Pro-Facebook.

Hate speech has always been a violation of Facebook's ToS. The "deal" with Germany was simply that Facebook agreed to be better at actually enforcing their own terms.

You ignored the actual argument, that political policy was being falsely labeled as hate speech.

I have no idea if it's true or not, but that's what you need to address if you want to discuss the nature of the deal.

Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by the_ancient »

lucb1e wrote: post #46

> the idea that everyone in Brazil can be denied the freedom to communicate the way they want is very scary in a democracy Says the person (in name of the company, I assume) whose company blocks things they don't "like", such as messages containing telegram.org or telegram.me[1]. Now Facebook is not a democracy and they can block and censor pretty much any message they like, but now they go on to tell Brazil how it s…

Last i checked Facebook does not have the authority to arrest, kill, put people in cages.. these are all things a governments do to citizen their violate their laws.

So no facebook censoring telegram is aboslutely nothing like a government doing anything.

It is extremely ignorant to ever compare a companies action to a government actions. A person can stop using (or never start like me) facebook, a person can not quit their government, or refuse their government ...

Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by malka »

kbart wrote: post #104
awqrre wrote: post #86

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Facebook does much more then that... they also hide information by using their "smart" sorting algo of stories/posts, for example.

Why can't you sort news by "newest first" then?

Either this options has become very well hidden, either it has totally disapeared. Either way, I cannot find it.

Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by [deleted] »

lucb1e wrote: post #46

> the idea that everyone in Brazil can be denied the freedom to communicate the way they want is very scary in a democracy Says the person (in name of the company, I assume) whose company blocks things they don't "like", such as messages containing telegram.org or telegram.me[1]. Now Facebook is not a democracy and they can block and censor pretty much any message they like, but now they go on to tell Brazil how it s…

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Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by dmd »

lucb1e wrote: post #46

> the idea that everyone in Brazil can be denied the freedom to communicate the way they want is very scary in a democracy Says the person (in name of the company, I assume) whose company blocks things they don't "like", such as messages containing telegram.org or telegram.me[1]. Now Facebook is not a democracy and they can block and censor pretty much any message they like, but now they go on to tell Brazil how it s…

Linking to telegram works just fine.

http://imgur.com/FOnR6ls

Re: WhatsApp is back online in Brazil

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Post by gldalmaso »

scriptalipta wrote: post #29
cadddr wrote: post #10

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If you are Brazilian (as your username suggests), you should be ashamed for making this comment.

I am not Brazilian, but currently in Brazil. I also heard comments along those lines. Nothing to be ashamed of when making a statement like that. It's worse when you let nationalistic pride stop you from making negative comments.

When you make assumptions on someone else's mentality based on the geographic region they live in, it's called prejudice.
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