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Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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Post by pborowicz » Tue, May 03, 2016, 1:38 PM UTC

zzleeper wrote: post #220

xlm1717 wrote: post #137

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Buying a blood glucose meter is not an expensive investment (provided you don't really need it, ie. don't have diabetes) and it will pay dividends in terms of health. With a meter and about 200 strips and lancets, you can determine a big list of foods that raise your blood glucose and foods that don't. I've been customizing my meals based on what my glucose meter tells me raises my blood glucose the least and I am lo…

Do you have a particular suggestion? prices seem to vary a lot in amazon and other sites..

In my area, Kroger, CVS, and Target all have a house brand meter that has very inexpensive strips and seems to be accurate. The meter is silver/white and the strips are black. While it seems identical at the different stores, I found out that the strips have different notches on the end, so a Kroger meter won't take CVS strips.

Either way, the meter is about $10 and 25 strips is around $7, 50 is $12, 100, is $20. Very afforadable.

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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Post by emodendroket » Tue, May 03, 2016, 1:44 PM UTC

npsimons wrote: post #319

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Tracking calories would blow most people's minds about the quanta of food they're eating. I've been tracking for a while, and sometimes I'm still surprised. Scale and app. It's never been easier.

Truth! Most people just don't realize because they've never done it. Side note: it makes me very sad and disappointed to see comments like this downvoted. Do we not claim to value rationalism and the scientific method here? Take the challenge: weigh your food and yourself and log it, and see if you can disprove CICO. If you can, there's a Nobel prize in physics awaiting you!

Nothing says "science" like a sample size of one.

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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Post by 49para » Tue, May 03, 2016, 1:59 PM UTC

SovietDissident wrote: post #250

"Soon the scale hit 265. Mr. Cahill started weighing and measuring his food again and stepped up his exercise. He got back down to 235 to 240 pounds. But his weight edged up again, to 275, then 295. His slow metabolism is part of the problem, and so are his food cravings. He opens a bag of chips, thinking he will have just a few. “I’d eat five bites. Then I’d black out and eat the whole bag of chips and say, ‘What di…

"He opens a bag of chips, thinking he will have just a few."

Thats the problem right there. Don't have things like that in your house.

Want a snack, try raw carrots or broccoli, by the time you finish binging you would have consumed about 50 calories :)

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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Post by 49para » Tue, May 03, 2016, 2:14 PM UTC

js2 wrote: post #91

In the other direction, see the documentary "Why Are Thin People Not Fat" where a group of thin volunteers are overfed by about double their normal calories for 4 weeks: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7838668.stm http://youtu.be/U1hbPXooB1U They all easily return to their starting weight, and at least one volunteer gains muscle but not fat. The body is amazing at maintaining homeostasis. Here's an nytime…

4 weeks may also not be enough time to wreck your insulin/grehlin/etc sensitivity

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, May 03, 2016, 3:25 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #152

varelse wrote: post #46

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I get up from my desk and go to the gym mid-day or I do so at the end of the work day depending on my flow. Also, I've cut most meetings out of my life, especially pointless time-eaters like daily scrum. Also: 1. No kids 2. I only watch 4-6 hours of TV per week 3. I walk to work, there's an extra hour right there at the expense of a higher rent (totally worth it). Previously, I worked from home 4. Most of my social l…

I so want to try this. Any tips and pointers? I'd quit the industry due to health issues (Obesity, NAFLD, Plantar fasciitis, etc) and would love to return if I can stay healthy in such a manner

One tip that may help: find a social, physical activity that you enjoy (for me, it was ballroom dance, but rock climbing, various sports, etc., can all work -- some sports may be less useful from a lifestyle perspective because the activity is highly seasonal, though if you have a social group they can probably be a source for alternate activities for the off-season.)

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Post by vinceguidry » Tue, May 03, 2016, 4:02 PM UTC

randomacct44 wrote: post #352

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Unfortunately that doesn't really work as a guiding principle. The body is entirely too easy to ignore, and social concerns ultimately are more important and urgent than personal ones. How exactly are you going to handle getting invited out to eat if you're not particularly hungry but could eat anyway? I had to answer this and way more in the year-long or so path to really getting serious about losing it and keeping…

I'm interested in how you did handle the social aspects. What adjustments did you make? How did you handle the invites-to-lunch when you weren't really hungry? That's one of my biggest issues. I'm on a meal plan at the moment which is great during my workdays and I'm really feeling good.... but then on the weekend when I'm not home and I'm visiting family or friends, I don't know how to stick to it without being a) e…

If I get an invite to lunch, I'll make that my one-meal-a-day. If I don't, I'll generally wait until around 5-6pm before either hitting a friend up for dinner or just going to grab whatever I feel like eating. My social life isn't good enough that I often get lunch and dinner invitations on the same day, I'm looking forward to solving that problem when it becomes one.

Long-term IF essentially made hunger a non-issue for me. I believe something neurological happened where my vagus nerve system got decoupled in some way from my CNS brain. I get hungry, but it's easy to ignore and to make my decisions on socially-practical grounds rather than the purely immediate.

Yesterday I had called up my business partner for dinner in my car right as I was about to leave. He didn't pick up, so I started driving. I get a few blocks down the road and he calls back, accepting my invitation. I did not mention that I was already in my car and hungry, simply drove back home. It was another two hours before we finally sat down for dinner. None of it bothered me, the hunger just went away when I willed it to.

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Post by anatoly » Tue, May 03, 2016, 7:37 PM UTC

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You mean the broken link to the study? I'll posit you didn't even click through the link I provided. Pot, meet kettle. Just judging from the article (which leaves a lot to be desired), though, it sounds like a small sample size, with no control group, and hasn't been reproduced. Edit: I'm not saying it's impossible; it's a known issue: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/69/6/1117.full There are reasons that most docto…

The link isn't broken, and I have absolutely read it. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.21538/full . Please note their methodology. And metabolic adaptation is fairly well established at this point, it doesn't just apply to people who lose tons of weight at a rapid rate.

Hi, can you address this comment on reddit that I found interesting?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/4hhdsj/the_science_...

On the face of it it isn't obvious to me why using a least-square model trained on just the baseline of these 16 individuals (the way they predict RMR in the paper) is better than the standard equation, and if the standard equation is a much closer fit to measurement, this seems suspect. But I know next to nothing about metabolic measurements.

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Post by learc83 » Tue, May 03, 2016, 8:27 PM UTC

gozur88 wrote: post #349

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There is a big difference between bed ridden and has a desk job. We can calculate that difference to some degree of accuracy using this equation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris%E2%80%93Benedict_equati... For a sedentary office worker with no exercise, to maintain weight he should consume 1.2xMBR. With a BMR of 1600 that means he should consume a bit under 2000 calories per day. It takes a good bit of energy to m…

That seems far too high based on my own experience and that of my coworkers. Depending on their level of exercise, slender men at my office tend to fall somewhere between 1500 an 2000 daily calories, with 1500 being the 6' guy who doesn't do any exercise. Yes, we compared notes.

Most people underestimate the number of calories they consume. It's much more likely that your small sample is underestimating than that numerous studies with much larger sample sizes are incorrect.

> with 1500 being the 6' guy who doesn't do any exercise.

1500 calories is right at the recommended maintenance intake for a sedentary 120lb middle aged woman (women have lower BMRs than men).

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Post by slededit » Tue, May 03, 2016, 9:33 PM UTC

TearsInTheRain wrote: post #184

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> I stopped listening to medical practitioners and starting experimenting with the foods I ate, using pairs testing with a glucose monitor. I sometimes wonder if the state of medical ethics is killing us. We've made it so expensive to do a medical study that nobody is going to do it unless the end result is something they can sell, so the only "solutions" we get are drugs because there is no money to be made in presc…

Generally I would say the responsibility of doing something that is beneficial to society but not economical rests on government. Vote for politicians that will increase research funding

That is a very low standard of morality. Historically private institutions had greater trust and expectations from society. They may have abused that trust - but the solution is not to absolve them of what was their historic responsibility.

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Post by varelse » Wed, May 04, 2016, 2:31 AM UTC

IndianAstronaut wrote: post #317

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IMO if you're working more than 50 hours a week and you don't own at least 3% of the eventual outcome, you should consider a less stressful position. Don't short change your health and well-being for a lower expected return than just working for one of the big guys. All IMO of course.

Oh I wish this were true. I am clocking in 60hrs a week. I work under ridiculous deadlines.

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