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After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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I really need to lose weight, my heaviness has started to lead to other health problems, but I find that whenever I try to eat significantly less, I have difficulty concentrating on heavy mental tasks (i.e. programming, my job). The constant feeling of hunger distracts me, or my mind just drifts, until I get some food in me again. I never see any of these articles even acknowledge this as an issue, either as if no on…

Well, you've gotten a lot of advice, already, so I'll keep it to broader points and perspective. For context, I lost 100 pounds about ten years ago (I'm only 5'7", so that's a very significant amount) and successfully kept it off. (I think many people commenting in this thread lost their weight very recently or within the last couple years, but it's hard to judge "successful" weight loss after only a couple years).

Honestly, my typical hunger state still ranges from "I could eat" to "I'm very hungry," even after sizable meals. I've basically accepted there's nothing I can do to adjust this beyond trying to pick more satiating food and keeping a diet of routine rather than excitement. I find if I start changing-things-up too much it results in overeating.

I still feel fat. I mean, I run consistently and for fairly long distances (I ran 20 miles on Saturday) and lift weights 2-3 times a week, but mentally I'm still fat, even though I'm likely far more fit than the average American. It doesn't help that I have the dreaded loose-skin issue, which really wreaks my mental image of myself.

I occasionally do still get food binges, where I eat 3000-4000+ calories of junk food in a day. I kinda balance it out with controlling most of the other days of the month and keeping a good exercise regimen. But I still find that I can gain weight rather quickly if I don't control myself over a week or so. However, I should say that I've never gained very significant weight in an uncontrolled manner, and I've had no relapse of significant weight gain.

Sorry if some of what I wrote was discouraging. Honestly, despite the struggles and mental baggage I still have, I still feel exponentially better. Not just in terms of how I feel about myself, but that I can tell my body is just naturally functioning in a more efficient manner. And trying to improve efficiency, I guess that's something programmers like to achieve.

Regarding my actual process of weight loss, my two main takeaways with my experience are as follows:

1. Don't do things you hate. If you like both grilled and fried chicken, then choose the grilled. If you like soda and tea, just choose the tea. Don't switch to eating boiled broccoli every day if you hate broccoli, because it's not sustainable.

2. Often, the joy of things is acquired. I pretty much never exercised before I lost weight and found it an absolute chore. After I 'forced myself' to trying a few different things, I found one type of exercise I could tolerate (weightlifting). Gradually it developed into a routine, which developed into a passion for it. Now I have to force myself to not exercise. Similarly, I used to hate salads. However, routine, research, and experimentation resulted in me a) adjusting my palate to accept/like the taste of salads and b) making better-tasting salads (most people have no clue how to make a salad actually appetizing; iceberg lettuce, tomato, and italian dressing is really terrible), and ultimately I can say that, while it's hardly a "comfort food", I look forward to my nearly-daily salads as my favorite meal.

These may seem contradictory, but they're really not. It's about experimentation and gradual change. Eat and do healthier things that you enjoy now, do these things for a while, make it routine, and then make another change. There may be some degree of 'forcing,' but it's part of the process to find something you can tolerate and eventually enjoy, rather than suffer through the pain of something you despise.

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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> The difficulty in keeping weight off reflects biology, not a pathological lack of willpower affecting two-thirds of the U.S.A. Fifty years ago, two-thirds of the USA were not obese. Biology has not changed in that time. What has?

> Fifty years ago, two-thirds of the USA were not obese.

2/3 are not obese now.

(2/3 are overweight, including about 1/3 that are obese.)

> Biology has not changed in that time.

Assumes facts not in evidence, but lets assume that's true.

> What has?

Well, the sharp uptick in obesity (which pretty much drives the overweight including obese upward trend, the overweight-but-not-obese proportion has stayed pretty flat) starts in the late 1970s, immediately following the peak in real hourly wages. Given that (ironically, given that richer countries have higher rates of obesity than poor countries) individual obesity in the United States is correlated with poor economic status, its not entirely implausible that there's a significant economic contribution to the obesity epidemic.

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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I think the message here is to listen to your body. Too often one finds themselves eating just because they were invited to lunch, or even because they are bored. If you listen to your body and just eat when you are hungry, magical things will happen.

Although this may work for some people, it definitely won't work for me, and many others. I constantly get "cravings" which, AFAICT, are indistinguishable from hunger. I have to consciously add up my calories to know if I've been eating too much. If I was to "listen to my body", I would overeat constantly.

Same. It's even worse for me though because the more I eat the hungrier I get. It's an awful positive feedback loop.

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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Why would keto be a bad idea? Genuine question. A friend of mine just run a 54k mountain track (2600m elevation) after 7 months keto. I have barely eaten carbs for 2 weeks now, and just cycled 120 km two days ago.

The short summary is that aerobic exercise performance in humans is limited by the maximal rate of oxygen uptake or VO2max. Oxidation of fatty acids requires more oxygen per unit of "energy" produced than glycolysis; they are simply less bang for buck (or oxygen). Hence chronically depleted (particularly muscle) glycogen stores are a great recipe for bad exercise performances as you force the body into deriving more…

These kind of scary warnings apply to almost no one, basically olympic atheletes in ketosis, and can be treated with a glass of orange juice. For the other 99% of us, ultimate performance is not the goal, and keto is a great way to stabilze blood sugar.

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And I'm in the second week of the Fast 5/2 diet. Not very encouraging to read this. Problem though is that I have to diet, my triglycerides are off the chart, my LDL cholesterol too and my fasting blood sugar are at the limit.... Hope I can keep my weight off somehow later.

Not sure what "Fast 5/2" is but if you are losing more than a pound a week (maybe two) it's going to be impossible maintain it because it won't feel natural and your calorie craving is going to rush right back. Those poor people were manipulated into losing a pound PER DAY which is insane. I cannot even fathom that. Take your time, schedule a year, and see what you can do. Be patient and persistent. Change your lifes…

Thanks for the encouragement! Very much appreciated!

Fast 5/2 is basically intermittent fasting with two days/week below 600 calories (which I find surprisingly easy to do) and the rest eating normally (but I'm also refraining from eating chocolates/biscuits/cakes and anything overly sweet).

So far, I've lost 3 pounds in a week and an half which I think is an healthy rate.

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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And I'm in the second week of the Fast 5/2 diet. Not very encouraging to read this. Problem though is that I have to diet, my triglycerides are off the chart, my LDL cholesterol too and my fasting blood sugar are at the limit.... Hope I can keep my weight off somehow later.

Not sure what "Fast 5/2" is but if you are losing more than a pound a week (maybe two) it's going to be impossible maintain it because it won't feel natural and your calorie craving is going to rush right back. Those poor people were manipulated into losing a pound PER DAY which is insane. I cannot even fathom that. Take your time, schedule a year, and see what you can do. Be patient and persistent. Change your lifes…

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> The difficulty in keeping weight off reflects biology, not a pathological lack of willpower affecting two-thirds of the U.S.A. Fifty years ago, two-thirds of the USA were not obese. Biology has not changed in that time. What has?

1) How do you know biology hasn't changed? The human gut microbiome has changed wildly over the past 50 to 100 years due to changes in modern diet. 2) Another point, the article is talking about the biology of people who have already been obese and then lost the weight. Given that people have more disposable income and obesity trends have risen, the inability to lose weight only after you first become obese would hel…

Environment (available food type and quantity) has changed massively. We have the same potential as before, expressed diffeently now.

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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> The difficulty in keeping weight off reflects biology, not a pathological lack of willpower affecting two-thirds of the U.S.A. Fifty years ago, two-thirds of the USA were not obese. Biology has not changed in that time. What has?

>Fifty years ago, two-thirds of the USA were not obese. Biology has not changed in that time. What has? Other commentators have mentioned the food aspect, but there are significant lifestyle changes since the 50s. The rise of the suburbs greatly reduced the amount of walking for many Americans to basically just walking to a car in the morning and walking from a car in the evening, with maybe some walking back and for…

I think this is it. Cars.

The Fitbit general population statistics - which I would presume is a self-selected group of at least activity interested people, are quite scary in terms of the large number of people in the 10,000 bracket.

10,000+ steps is a normal day walking around London for me, to from work etc. but if I'm driving I may not even get up to 3,000.

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I second this. Sadly I am up about 35 pounds from when I hit bottom. Sugar-addiction, at least for me, is harder to beat then smoking. I am able to go without sugar for one to two weeks and then it hits me and I binge on chocolate again. Hope to find the strength to restart my efforts. Does any of you have helpful suggestions?

I've cut a tremendous amount of sugar by cutting way way back on Pepsi. I could not stand diet soda, so when I started aiming for under 40% calories from carbs I was trying fairly hard to make sure that I was way under 40% for most of the day, so that my evening snack could include a Pepsi. I tried adding some low sugar gelatin cup desserts to my diet to have a nice cool dessert on occasion, not expecting much since…

Yeah, you can get used to anything if you can stick it out at least 2 or 3 weeks.

You might try soda water with no sweeteners, its what I drink now when out.

Re: After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The short summary is that aerobic exercise performance in humans is limited by the maximal rate of oxygen uptake or VO2max. Oxidation of fatty acids requires more oxygen per unit of "energy" produced than glycolysis; they are simply less bang for buck (or oxygen). Hence chronically depleted (particularly muscle) glycogen stores are a great recipe for bad exercise performances as you force the body into deriving more…

These kind of scary warnings apply to almost no one, basically olympic atheletes in ketosis, and can be treated with a glass of orange juice. For the other 99% of us, ultimate performance is not the goal, and keto is a great way to stabilze blood sugar.

What scary warnings? This is basic exercise science. It applies regardless if your VO2max is 88 or 30, and indeed John Doe is more at risk of hypoglycemia as higher utilization of fatty acid oxidation at lower exercise intensity is one of the primary adaptations gained through training.
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