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After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight

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In the other direction, see the documentary "Why Are Thin People Not Fat" where a group of thin volunteers are overfed by about double their normal calories for 4 weeks:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7838668.stm

http://youtu.be/U1hbPXooB1U

They all easily return to their starting weight, and at least one volunteer gains muscle but not fat. The body is amazing at maintaining homeostasis. Here's an nytimes article from 2011 that discusses much the same thing as the article submitted:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-...

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Fat cells never go away once you've got them. Fat cells also really don't want to be empty. When you loose weight the fat is broken up in to H2O and CO2 (you literally breath and pee fat away) but the fat cell generally holds onto the water for a while and then, along with a load of other fat cells, will expel that water in one go(which is why you tend to keep a stable weight for a few days and then find you've lost…

You are supplying potentially very interesting information... could you please point to sources?

No specific sources for my official comment, this is knowledge I've accumulated from 4 years of lifting weights and tracking calories.

Places I learn from along the way:

http://strengtheory.com - Greg knows his stuff

http://fitness.reddit.com - has gone downhill since becoming a default sub but they are looking at changing that, still good

bodybuilding.com is pretty good to be honest once you get over the hard sell of supplements, Jim Stoppani has a PhD and was a researcher at Yale I believe

"The mathematics of weight loss" TED talk by Ruben Meerman is pretty solid from memory

Elliott Hulse is a YouTuber (so take some of the stuff with a pinch of salt) but pretty good.

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Using the USDA supertracker here ( https://www.supertracker.usda.gov/bwp/ ) with the following data/assumptions: Weight: 295 lbs Age: 46 Height: 5 feet 10 inches (average height for US male) Work activity: sedentary Leisure activity: sedentary The normal maintenance calories come out at 3117. Less 800 is 2317. That is still enough to eat well and feel full, in my experience.

>That is still enough to eat well and feel full, in my experience. That's because your hormone levels aren't crazily out of whack like the individual you reference. If your hormone levels were changed to reflect the person that lost weight, I doubt you'd say that.

Perhaps that is true.

I have also experienced that if I eat total shit, my hunger is boundless. Whereas if I eat well, my hunger tops out at around where it needs to be to maintain a healthy weight. It is not obvious why this should be the case.

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I managed to lose 40 pounds last year, using intermittent fasting. That impressed people, but what's impressed me is how easy it was to keep it off. I expected to have to do a lot more work than I have, I really seemed to have found a new 'set point', where I can simply let my body self-regulate eating and I won't gain weight. Sometimes it even goes down. I think a person's state of mind plays a huge role. I used IF…

I think the message here is to listen to your body. Too often one finds themselves eating just because they were invited to lunch, or even because they are bored. If you listen to your body and just eat when you are hungry, magical things will happen.

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How do you manage the 1 to 2 hours of daily exercise with a programmer lifestyle(assuming you are a programmer)?

Well, if you can find a job where you're working ~40 hours per week, this can be achieved. I know this is not the case for many people.

IMO if you're working more than 50 hours a week and you don't own at least 3% of the eventual outcome, you should consider a less stressful position. Don't short change your health and well-being for a lower expected return than just working for one of the big guys. All IMO of course.

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Extreme diligence seems to be the only way to fight this. If I stop exercising, the pounds pack on within weeks. If I insure I burn at least 3000 calories a day (usually much more), I can maintain my weight indefinitely. But I walk to work and I exercise for 1-2 hours daily. Most people cannot or will not do this. Add in the extreme carbohydrate and fat-laden diets most readily available to America and it's a perfect…

I'm not sure if it's that simple. My body maintains a low but healthy weight no matter what I do. I can avoid sports for years and eat as much as I want, to the point of feeling uncomfortably full, without increasing weight. It seems likely that in some or even most obese people, a regulation system has been broken.

There are also differences between gaining weight, getting fat, and being fat.

People gain weight when they gain muscle, and heavier people by the mechanics of supporting their weight seem to gain and hold muscle more easily than lighter people. More muscle mass has been associated with better health outcomes despite other factors.

I've also read that it's not being fat that's bad for you, but getting fat. Some people are unable to shed subcutaneous fat they gained at one point in their lives and carry a stigma of being fat despite being otherwise very healthy, even in their diet and lifestyle. It's a common idea that not shedding that kind of fat is a problem, but it probably isn't as much as people believe.

Being apparently not-fat could also be an indicator of worse health if you generated corporeal fat more easily than subcutaneous. That's what's being referred to when they say "belly fat" and apple bodies being associated with health problems, not the love handles and soft flab. Many people who look healthy because they're not fat could be skinny-fat, have higher corporeal fat, and not take care to exercise or watch what they eat, thinking that their weight and apparent size are indications that they're doing everything right.

But in cases of obesity, I do see people cheating their diets, focusing on easier but less important factors like steps per day, celebrating their daily water fluctuations as weight loss, and otherwise coming up with endless tricks and reasons to justify not not-eating.

There are many people I've never seen eating, but their trashcans and purses always fill up with food wrappers. They don't count that 900 Calorie Starbucks because it's just a coffee, and Weight Watchers says that's 0 points. Or they didn't use all their points last Tuesday, so they can have a treat today, and probably tomorrow since that doghnut just made up for last week and doesn't count.

That's certainly a broken regulation system, but it's one within their capacity to change.

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I'm not sure if it's that simple. My body maintains a low but healthy weight no matter what I do. I can avoid sports for years and eat as much as I want, to the point of feeling uncomfortably full, without increasing weight. It seems likely that in some or even most obese people, a regulation system has been broken.

Study after study has repeatedly shown this to be untrue. People who think they "eat as much as they want" really don't eat as much as people who think they "eat almost nothing" Try actually counting your calories over the course of a week.

I find that interesting. Could you mention some of those studies?

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Extreme diligence seems to be the only way to fight this. If I stop exercising, the pounds pack on within weeks. If I insure I burn at least 3000 calories a day (usually much more), I can maintain my weight indefinitely. But I walk to work and I exercise for 1-2 hours daily. Most people cannot or will not do this. Add in the extreme carbohydrate and fat-laden diets most readily available to America and it's a perfect…

Exercise has nothing to do with weight loss. Caloric restriction also doesn't work without consuming the correct fats to satiate your appetite. As you age there is no amount of exercise that will allow you to maintain the amount you weigh in you 20's or 30's. It will all depend on your diet of the correct foods. I would suggest probably the best book ever written about why people get fat. Why We Get Fat: And What to…

"As you age there is no amount of exercise that will allow you to maintain the amount you weigh in you 20's or 30's."

This seems overly general and anecdotally total BS. I still eat what I like just like I did in my 20s/30s. It's just that what I like is generally lots of vegetables and sufficient protein, with occasional vices slipped in because YOLO(tm).

That said, without the exercise, I gain about a pound per week. That means I am atoning for an extra 400-500 calories daily, no? Or what would you suggest is really going on here?

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The results of this study, while interesting, seem flawed to me because losing 200+lbs in only 8 months' time is ridiculously fast. I would be more interested in a study following people who lost weight very slowly and steadily over time, and curious about their metabolisms and recidivism rates. I've lost 100lbs over the last three years and have had zero issue (so far, not saying I won't ever) with keeping at this w…

Maybe there's something different about the metabolism of people who manage to reach a weight of 450lbs in the first place. Without exercise and watching what you eat, almost everyone will gain weight, but most people never get anywhere close to the 300lbs+ range.
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