Keep electing terrible politicians Brazil
America's track record is often just as bad. The difference is people don't care and the politicians don't end up in jail.
WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
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Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brasil is the 8th economy in the world.
GDP per capita is the relevant metric here, as it's a much better gauge of how much money each person has. Using that metric, Brazil ranks 76th [0]. Ranking countries by nominal GDP [1] gives a lopsided view of the world's economy as you can have countries with very large populations of poor people that rank highly, such as China (#2) or India (#9). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...…
> GDP per capita is the relevant metric here
Yeah, I was going to make a similar comment. Listing the wealth of nations based on nominal GDP will result in a list that's similar to ordering them by population size.
Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's almost like Brazil is the most technologically advanced poor-3rd-world-nation I know from my brief time at Facebook, they use Brazil user-searches in their intro classes to tableau reporting on users' graphs - "show me everyone in Brazil who is 18 years old and posted about subject-X"
Samstave, Just a bit of nitpick to save you some trouble in the future. Brazil is not poor. Brazil is the seventh world economy, if you count the number of nations in north america and europe, being the seventh world economy is a great deal. Also the division in 1st world and 3rd world is schewed upon today. Its akin to saying the N-word. There are much better, non-pejorative terms to be used. Brazil is a part of the…
The 1st world and 3rd world country can often be a strange one. South Korea is technically considered a 3rd world country, even though it has quite a global influence in industries such as consumer electronics, automotive, semiconductors, and steel.
edit: Apologies, looks like I was completely wrong since the source online I looked at incorrectly defined SK as economically undeveloped (I looked further and SK is in the G20, which would clearly make it a developed nation), and I was unaware of the Cold War era designation that commenters have pointed out to me.
I was always confused why SK would be considered a 3rd world country when my own impression from its industrial strength was that it should be a 1st world country, so I'm glad that I've been corrected.
Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#64I'm here to defend the judge's ruling, a position very unpopular among all my friends here in Brazil.
Brazilian law regarding regarding privacy of users of internet services is very recent and clear: if a judge order the company to share a specific user data, the company must comply. You can disagree with the law, but the law is there.
Now, the judge ordered Whatsapp to share a particular user conversation (a suspect murderer - edit: drug dealer). But the problem is: Whatsapp have no offices or operations in Brazil. The order was sent to Facebook, who ignore as Whatsapp is another company. So, without any executives in Brazil that could be held responsible for disobeying the law, the judge fine the company. They continue to disobey the order (for months). The judge suspends Whatsapp activity (for 24h a few months ago, but that order was suspended itself after a few hours). Now Whatsapp continue to disobey the judge's order until this day. The judge suspend the company again.
All arguments I hear against the judge is in the line that Whatsapp is "too big to fail". That's not a valid point in my opinion. If they disobey the law, it must have consequences, no matter how big and important to brazilian society they are. If they had operations and executives in Brazil this would never had happened at the first place. They would have lawyers fighting against the decision to share the user data and this would be solved by the justice system (never coming to have its activity suspended). But Whatsapp simply ignored brazilian justice system as if it was above the law.
It is very unfortunate that it came to this point, but it is not like a judge decided yesterday that Whatsapp should sufer for whatever reason. They got a lot of months of warning for this. And he is acting completely according to the law. For me, all of this is Whatsapp fault.
Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's almost like Brazil is the most technologically advanced poor-3rd-world-nation I know from my brief time at Facebook, they use Brazil user-searches in their intro classes to tableau reporting on users' graphs - "show me everyone in Brazil who is 18 years old and posted about subject-X"
Brasil is not poor, is F*n corrupt.
Thanks, this is the main comment I shall reply to: yes my comment was made in ignorance. Ignorance is the lacking of knowledge of the situation.
I was not having the information I needed to make a fully informed comment, and thus I offended people, apologies.
Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps the country has a large economy, but its people are being left behind. In the list of countries by average wage, they are 47th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_w... And for the median household income, they aren't in the top 35, either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income
The first wiki link data is weird. How is that even possible ? 25 Israel $1,804 26 Russia $1,800
I'm not sure I understand what you're pointing out here. How is what possible, the Israel's average wage is $4 more than Russia's?
Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#67Brazilian here. I've always used Telegram for privacy purposes. It was amazing to watch the flood of friends "just signing up".
Although it has to be said that Telegram does not offer true end-to-end encryption by default. For general-purpose usage, WhatsApp may actually be considered more secure than Telegram.
Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's almost like Brazil is the most technologically advanced poor-3rd-world-nation I know from my brief time at Facebook, they use Brazil user-searches in their intro classes to tableau reporting on users' graphs - "show me everyone in Brazil who is 18 years old and posted about subject-X"
Samstave, Just a bit of nitpick to save you some trouble in the future. Brazil is not poor. Brazil is the seventh world economy, if you count the number of nations in north america and europe, being the seventh world economy is a great deal. Also the division in 1st world and 3rd world is schewed upon today. Its akin to saying the N-word. There are much better, non-pejorative terms to be used. Brazil is a part of the…
> division in 1st world and 3rd world is schewed upon today
> Its akin to saying the N-word
I'm sorry, what?
How can you even compare these two things, I can't imagine anyone finding "3rd world" offensive (After all, you don't use it to refer to people... do you?) . Especially when it's objectively true.
Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#69I'm here to defend the judge's ruling, a position very unpopular among all my friends here in Brazil. Brazilian law regarding regarding privacy of users of internet services is very recent and clear: if a judge order the company to share a specific user data, the company must comply. You can disagree with the law, but the law is there. Now, the judge ordered Whatsapp to share a particular user conversation (a suspect…
How was the justice system able to communicate the shutdown order, but not able to communicate the request for user data?
Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge
#70And I'm sure we'll not grab the opportunity to use a descentralized messaging protocol. It's like people want somebody to exploit them.