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Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by sjs382 »

pnevares wrote: post #213
sjs382 wrote: post #209

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That's great! If you need any help in this effort, please don;t hesitate to contact me. My email i sin my profile. Thanks for creating K5 and letting it become what it had become. I also really enjoyed your guest post to the The Awl mailing list last year. I did a double-take when I saw your name in the header. Is there anywhere we can see your writing on a regular basis nowadays?

I hold out hope that Today in Tabs will be back from its hiatus one day. Got in on it very late but my wife and I loved it.

Ah yeah, I had totally forgot about that since it disappeared!

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by benatkin »

surge wrote: post #141
Pxtl wrote: post #91

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Except that Reddit is gradually turning into 4chan. Every time I see /r/all, it's a little more mean-spirited, a little younger, a little more toxic. Outsourcing moderation and libertarian ideals all sound nice, but when the rubber hits the road it gradually chases normal people away. Reddit just did it it slower because the strengths of their platform and content overwhelmed it... but it's getting there eventually.

The default sub-reddit's turn into what happens when you have a site populated mostly by the lowest common denominator and posts that appeal to the same. Once it became mainstream the defaults just fell into an Eternal September cycle ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September ) that most sites never recover from. However, reddit had a defense mechanism against this in that there are many, many subsections and…

/r/AskMen is a very skewed community too, just not as skewed as RedPill. It's like this all over the site. The whole site disproportionally attracts people who are unsatisfied with their social circles and looking for an alternative. It's like 4chan except people have recognizable usernames, so it feels like people are having genuine interactions with other people.

To see it all you have to do is go to a mainstream subreddit click on a few usernames and read the comment histories.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by eropple »

ak_wa wrote: post #218
eropple wrote: post #173

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Eh. People used to say /pol/ and /k/ were parody, too. They don't say that anymore.

Since when was /k/ parody?

I never thought it was. But its defenders and minimizers used to tell me that the folks who gave it its reputation and its denizens their nickname were "in on the joke."

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by ak_wa »

eropple wrote: post #223
ak_wa wrote: post #218

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Since when was /k/ parody?

I never thought it was. But its defenders and minimizers used to tell me that the folks who gave it its reputation and its denizens their nickname were "in on the joke."

Its entire culture is in its own special way a joke, from the love of Soviet everything, to the nagant-bolt-as-a-prostate-massager, to the skinwalker stories - and each of these is made even funnier the more that it gets taken over the top. IAmTheStrielok becoming famous from swallowing a DU bullet and nearly dying from radiation poisoning, for example. In that way, sure, layers of irony, inside jokes, etc. But in the end, it's all just memes - superficial board culture used as flavoring for the very real and serious discussions about all things weapon-related.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by ultraforce »

byuu wrote: post #160
pavel_lishin wrote: post #157

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> I generally unsubscribe from all of those defaults (except maybe /r/WorldNews) Maybe I don't understand how bad the rest of the default subs are, but the last time I went to the comments in r/worldnews, I saw nothing but awful, racist garbage. Maybe the links and headlines are worth reading, but those comments have completely killed any interest in discussion there.

They also think the US isn't part of the world. I get it, you want a news place that's not all US, all the time. I'm right there with you, but if I am going to "world news", then I expect news from everywhere in the world.

r/news does that, I don't actually go on r/worldnews and instead just use r/news which has actually a decent variety of news from around the world sometimes, also there are people who work hard to balance off the racist and hateful comments for the sub

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by ultraforce »

fragmede wrote: post #196
pavel_lishin wrote: post #158

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Does it? A subreddit is as good as its moderators; a good team can keep a sub from being flooded with trolls, or even regulars who are unfamiliar with a sub's rules or culture.

It does. When a really nice niche subreddit is thrust into the lime-light by becoming a default, it usually dies from an influx of low-quality default users. If it doesn't die from that, the moderation team has to really step up their job - a job they're not getting paid to do which means moderation teams get overworked and burned out, and the quit and the sub dies from lack of moderation. If the subreddit is survive…

I think some would be able to survive even the danger of being a default sub, for example either AskHistorians or AskAnthropologists just straight up deletes any top level comments without a source and are very ban happy leading to questions with only 5 answers, albeit all of decent quality.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by ak_wa »

Pxtl wrote: post #155
ecopoesis wrote: post #89

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Social Justice Warrior, an attempted dogwhistle[1] used by GamerGaters / men's rights activists / anyone of scared of a more equal society, in a derogatory way against people who promote equality and not being a dick on the Internet. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

To be fair, a good chunk of the social justice community online is intensely vitriolic. Because they deal with the worst trolls on the Internet, they've developed an intensely callous and mean-spirited approach to "social justice" and have made absurd terms like "die cis scum" into catch-phrases. Basically, they have the moral high-ground... but are turning it into a crater. Reddit has /r/ShitRedditSays, which is the…

Justification of some truly abhorrent methodology aside, it's quite a stretch to call the people SRS picks fights with "the worst trolls on the internet". What are you alluding to here, gamergate? I'd think the GNAA would rank high above them.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by ultraforce »

vanderZwan wrote: post #96
Pxtl wrote: post #91

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Except that Reddit is gradually turning into 4chan. Every time I see /r/all, it's a little more mean-spirited, a little younger, a little more toxic. Outsourcing moderation and libertarian ideals all sound nice, but when the rubber hits the road it gradually chases normal people away. Reddit just did it it slower because the strengths of their platform and content overwhelmed it... but it's getting there eventually.

First "the fappening" attracting juvenile sexist dudebros and alienating the rest, now /r/the_donald (and I'm skipping a lot of drama). It's not a coincidence that the best subs are the ones where the goals of the sub are clearly defined and the mods enforce the rules with an iron fist (/r/AskHistorians is the best example of this).

I find it interesting that with social media sites as big as reddit giant events can happen without users being at all aware this is the first time I have heard about r/the_donald

the only recent dram I have heard about is stuff related to league of legends which is humorously enough the largest sub I am on outside of /r/news

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by striking »

MrRadar wrote: post #212
Yhippa wrote: post #168

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Can anybody explain how /r/The_Donald even happened? I can't tell if it's serious about Trump or if it's the new containment sub for dudebros. I'm very surprised at how often posts from there show up in /r/all.

As someone who follows /r/ShitRedditSays and /r/SubredditDrama on and off I find it completely unsurprising. For years reddit has been fertile recruiting ground for racists, sexists, anti-semites, homophobes, transmisogynists, and ableists. This is largely the fault of Reddit's administrators who had a strict laissez-faire approach to content on their site and refused to remove content that was overtly any or all of…

> strict laissez-faire approach

You mean they allowed speech that didn't tread on the rights of others? I think racism is shitty too, but I'm not going to ban it. And that makes me sound like a bad person, but people's definitions of racism vary extremely widely.

It's not possible to say something without offending someone out there. If you think taking down posts that simply offend you is a good idea (rather than ignoring posts that you don't like and refusing to take those people seriously), then there are other platforms out there.

Better yet, you can make your own subreddit and stop complaining about the others on the site.

Everyone else has as much a right to reddit as you do.

> brogressive

Libertarian?

There's nothing wrong with having a differing opinion.

> blistering responses to BLM [...] demonstrate [conservatism] nicely

So you're saying that people who disagree with BLM in some way are conservative?

I disagree with their methods. Am I a conservative now?

> BLM, GamerGate, Trump supporters

Do you think these groups should not be allowed to use reddit?

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