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Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by chris_wot »

jonathankoren wrote: post #58
gedy wrote: post #4

> "Kuro5hin — pronounced corrosion" Ah, all these years I thought it was a Japanese name..

It was a joke on multiple levels. The founder was Rusty. Rusty -> rust -> corrosion -> kuro5shin. The second level was that it was a reference to Neal Stephenson's Sno Crash character Da5id character. The pseudo-Japanese and l33t-speak spelling was did give it a a cyberpunk flair. https://books.google.com/books?id=ybSFU9aDzsoC&pg=PA154&lpg=...

To be honest, there was something very awesome about the site layout. When the story submission queue was full and the trolling was only very much in the background, then it was a really good and amazing site.

The trolls turned incredibly mean though. They didn't ever come out of the woodwork, and they were completely anonymous. They were the harbinger of what was to come about half a decade later.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by gonehome »

brianberns wrote: post #14

First there was Slashdot, but CmdrTaco insisted on picking the stories for us. He called it an "omelet". Kuro5hin came along to fix this, but discouraged posts that were just links to pages elsewhere on the web. IIRC, this was called "link farming". How many users had the talent and time to create original content, and then survive the ridiculous Kuro5shin editing process? Not many. Digg then encouraged links, but sh…

Digg had a lot of issues before the redesign.

The community had grown huge and become terrible (without small high quality subreddits to retreat into).

By the time the redesign happened there wasn't much to lose.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by r721 »

userbinator wrote: post #44
atdt wrote: post #26

Google's cache has approximate 480 story pages still in its cache. The Wayback Machine won't show any results for the site because of its current robots.txt. It'd be great if someone could scrape these pages and provide them as an archive. I am not sure how to do that without running afoul of Google's terms-of-service. List of URLs: https://dpaste.de/YbEq/raw

You can use http://archive.is/

Archive.is supports batch archiving too:

http://blog.archive.is/post/45031162768/can-you-recommend-th...

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by samth »

pjc50 wrote: post #74
okasaki wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How many users had the talent and time to create original content, and then survive the ridiculous Kuro5shin editing process? Not many. k5 had a diary section where you could publish anything you wanted. I think the biggest problem with k5 were the annoying "trolls" that were allowed to to shitpost without any restraint whatsoever and eventually overran the whole site.

There were (at least) two distinct subfactions of trolls. One were the purely destructive, who'd started out on slashdot posting goatse and gnaa vileness. This faction has basically continued, in spirit if not in personnel, to be the pro-abuse faction wherever things are discussed on the internet. The other faction were people fed up of what they percieved as groupthink, who ran a much more subtle and 'traditional' t…

For people who are fans of adequacy, the author of that essay is Daniel Davies, who blogs at Crooked Timber and on Medium, and has an entertaining Twitter feed.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by gaius »

ubertaco wrote: post #66
InclinedPlane wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conservative is probably the wrong word, hateful being more correct. And it's a serious problem on reddit. The majority of redditors are generally left-leaning. But the hateful people on reddit are more organized and more dedicated. They participate in degrading the experience of anyone who doesn't believe the same as they do, and that drives some people away. Outside of the very few well moderated sub-reddits this i…

As a right-leaning, generally-conservative guy, the most organized hate I've gotten on reddit is because I'm a right-leaning, generally-conservative guy rather than being a more-reddit-acceptable left-leaning Sanders-supporting liberal.

This mirrors my experience. I take my ideas from both right and left, but if I post any left-wing viewpoint on something (corporate taxation, say) the hard right might disagree but they keep it respectful. Whereas say anything even centrist and I get instant, vicious hate and bile from the left.

Fortunately those people have very poor impulse control and are prone to rage-blocking, so I never have to bother with them for long, but there's always more.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by VLM »

vinhboy wrote: post #38
InclinedPlane wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conservative is probably the wrong word, hateful being more correct. And it's a serious problem on reddit. The majority of redditors are generally left-leaning. But the hateful people on reddit are more organized and more dedicated. They participate in degrading the experience of anyone who doesn't believe the same as they do, and that drives some people away. Outside of the very few well moderated sub-reddits this i…

Thank you for this very well written response. I was struggling to say what you just explained so well. The reason I personally think it will destroy Reddit is because it has already ruined a few of the subreddits I subscribe to. Mainly /r/technology, /r/news, and /r/politics.

As an honest reply its not a Reddit specific problem that any discussion of technology, news, or politics inevitably leads to scorched earth where-ever its tried. Its not doomed because its reddit, its doomed because those are really dumb discussion topics to have unless you want to watch the world burn.

Now if everyone present likes a nice bonfire, then sitting around toasting our marshmallows is fun, but there's always some "smokey the bear" who sees his duty as saying "only you can prevent forest fires".

On the other hand, /r/mechanicalkeyboards is pretty awesome. Some of the modded minecraft specific subreddits I read are pretty awesome (shout out to /r/feedthebeast)

Because there's never anything really new under the sun, the ham radio guys figured out codes of conduct about a century ago that actually worked along the lines of forbidding politics, religion, and other issues, at least in civilized company, along with some basic protocol, etc.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by ebbv »

brianberns wrote: post #14

First there was Slashdot, but CmdrTaco insisted on picking the stories for us. He called it an "omelet". Kuro5hin came along to fix this, but discouraged posts that were just links to pages elsewhere on the web. IIRC, this was called "link farming". How many users had the talent and time to create original content, and then survive the ridiculous Kuro5shin editing process? Not many. Digg then encouraged links, but sh…

Digg died not just because it was a redesign, but because it sold out as part of that redesign. Built into it was highlighting the content of media companies, and elevating it above the submissions by regular users.

Reddit has avoided getting bitten by this by selling out quietly behind the scenes. It has partnered with those same media companies and advertisers but it simply allows them to present themselves as regular users, or present their content in AMAs or other officially sanctioned channels.

Reddit has so far avoided Digg's big misstep; making it obvious to the users that they value the money from media companies more than the memes and other junk regular users make. But make no mistake, Reddit is currently in the same position Digg was in when everybody jumped ship. It's just too subtle for most Reddit users to notice.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by ecopoesis »

cooper12 wrote: post #86

What's an SJW?

Social Justice Warrior, an attempted dogwhistle[1] used by GamerGaters / men's rights activists / anyone of scared of a more equal society, in a derogatory way against people who promote equality and not being a dick on the Internet.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by jccalhoun »

weanoob wrote: post #24
vinhboy wrote: post #21

I am going to predict that Reddit will soon collapse because it is overrun with conservative minded people. It's starting to become a really hateful community.

Reddit? Conservative? Are you joking?

I think internet libertarian would be more accurate http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Internet+Libe...
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