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Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Social Justice Warrior, an attempted dogwhistle[1] used by GamerGaters / men's rights activists / anyone of scared of a more equal society, in a derogatory way against people who promote equality and not being a dick on the Internet. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

> a derogatory way against people who promote equality and not being a dick on the Internet By being the biggest dicks on the Internet, not afraid of lying, blackmailing and destroying careers and lives by unleashing Internet lynch mobs. I'm sorry, but SJW movement is a cancer on the society, and it's way beyond issues of "equality" now. They're going out of their way in deploying underhanded tactics to destroy anyon…

SJWs are not actually the biggest jerks on the network. But I think they do have the most cohesive groupthink at the moment.

I consider them to be a grave threat to the traditional American freedoms of speech, free exercise of religion, the press, association, peaceful assembly, bearing arms, privacy, and due process. They are replacing all of these with the freedom to retaliate for being offended or threatened by proxy. That is, as long as a SJW can conceive the possibility of a person that could have been threatened or offended by you, they feel they are entitled to react as though those people actually exist, but are too afraid to self-identify and respond for themselves.

And speaking of dog-whistles, the SJWs have an annoying habit of using "check your privilege" as an ad hominem distraction, to derail anyone that may be threatening to a groupthink narrative. They are also big users of "no true Scotsman".

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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> Go look at twitter, and tumblr and facebook. As much as I despise how close-minded and backwards society is on average, this particular argument doesn't hold. What you see on a social networks is not a likely to be valid data-point for what the average person is like; at the very least it will be heavily biased. SMBC has a very concise explanation: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2939 Of course that's just nice a hy…

-SNIP- Missunderstood parent poster

> If/If not a negative vocal minority exists is irrelevant, nor its interactions.

The amplification of the loudest and most brash is the social interaction equivalent of selection bias, or cherry picking, except without it being by choice on the recipients end. How is that not relevant?

Furthermore, a social network is nothing but interactions. That's all communication is: interaction between people.

> All you do is provide a rationalization that the world isn't as bad of a place as the comment section suggestions.

Given that I am responding to a comment that EDIT:appears to argue that the comment section represents "normal people" I think that is a pretty relevant argument. Although GP has since explained that he meant something else.

And no, it is not like hidden variable theory at all, since that argues that there is an unseen explanation of observed effect, without arguing that the observed effect is not representative. I am arguing the observed effect isn't representative to begin with.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Except that Reddit is gradually turning into 4chan. Every time I see /r/all, it's a little more mean-spirited, a little younger, a little more toxic. Outsourcing moderation and libertarian ideals all sound nice, but when the rubber hits the road it gradually chases normal people away. Reddit just did it it slower because the strengths of their platform and content overwhelmed it... but it's getting there eventually.

unsub to all the political nonsense, and reddit's still a valuable resource.

He said /r/all and not the default subs.

/r/all is generally a cesspool nowadays, especially with all the #TREMENDOUS /r/the_donald shitposts.

I have seen Trump-tier shitposting leak into /r/China and other completely unrelated subs as well.

It's getting out of hand.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#155

What's an SJW?

Social Justice Warrior, an attempted dogwhistle[1] used by GamerGaters / men's rights activists / anyone of scared of a more equal society, in a derogatory way against people who promote equality and not being a dick on the Internet. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

To be fair, a good chunk of the social justice community online is intensely vitriolic. Because they deal with the worst trolls on the Internet, they've developed an intensely callous and mean-spirited approach to "social justice" and have made absurd terms like "die cis scum" into catch-phrases.

Basically, they have the moral high-ground... but are turning it into a crater.

Reddit has /r/ShitRedditSays, which is the perfect example of this approach of "social justice trolling".

http://imgur.com/gallery/40Idny0

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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-SNIP- Missunderstood parent poster

> If/If not a negative vocal minority exists is irrelevant, nor its interactions. The amplification of the loudest and most brash is the social interaction equivalent of selection bias, or cherry picking, except without it being by choice on the recipients end. How is that not relevant? Furthermore, a social network is nothing but interactions . That's all communication is: interaction between people. > All you do is…

>How is that not relevant?

Because nobody is suggesting that minority is anything other than a minority. Simply that having that minority is normal.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#157
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post #91

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Except that Reddit is gradually turning into 4chan. Every time I see /r/all, it's a little more mean-spirited, a little younger, a little more toxic. Outsourcing moderation and libertarian ideals all sound nice, but when the rubber hits the road it gradually chases normal people away. Reddit just did it it slower because the strengths of their platform and content overwhelmed it... but it's getting there eventually.

The default sub-reddit's turn into what happens when you have a site populated mostly by the lowest common denominator and posts that appeal to the same. Once it became mainstream the defaults just fell into an Eternal September cycle ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September ) that most sites never recover from. However, reddit had a defense mechanism against this in that there are many, many subsections and…

> I generally unsubscribe from all of those defaults (except maybe /r/WorldNews)

Maybe I don't understand how bad the rest of the default subs are, but the last time I went to the comments in r/worldnews, I saw nothing but awful, racist garbage. Maybe the links and headlines are worth reading, but those comments have completely killed any interest in discussion there.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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post #141

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The default sub-reddit's turn into what happens when you have a site populated mostly by the lowest common denominator and posts that appeal to the same. Once it became mainstream the defaults just fell into an Eternal September cycle ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September ) that most sites never recover from. However, reddit had a defense mechanism against this in that there are many, many subsections and…

Yes, but we can't pretend that the low quality of the defaults doesn't affect the quality of the good sub-reddits.

Does it? A subreddit is as good as its moderators; a good team can keep a sub from being flooded with trolls, or even regulars who are unfamiliar with a sub's rules or culture.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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> If/If not a negative vocal minority exists is irrelevant, nor its interactions. The amplification of the loudest and most brash is the social interaction equivalent of selection bias, or cherry picking, except without it being by choice on the recipients end. How is that not relevant? Furthermore, a social network is nothing but interactions . That's all communication is: interaction between people. > All you do is…

>How is that not relevant? Because nobody is suggesting that minority is anything other than a minority. Simply that having that minority is normal.

Ok, I must be missing something: first you say "this is what normal people are like", I respond "no, it's a vocal minority appearing like they take up a bigger share of society than they are." How can you claim "nobody is suggesting that minority is anything other than a minority" when I am literally arguing that they are, in the sense that they are over-represented on the internet?

And if you are saying "this is what normal social websites look like", just say that instead of claiming that this representation maps to what normal people are like. Because that is what this message reads as:

> Reddit is overwhelmingly "normal people". Mean spirited and "toxic" is normal people. Go look at twitter, and tumblr and facebook. They all have the same thing. These sites didn't chase normal people away, they attracted them.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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post #141

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The default sub-reddit's turn into what happens when you have a site populated mostly by the lowest common denominator and posts that appeal to the same. Once it became mainstream the defaults just fell into an Eternal September cycle ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September ) that most sites never recover from. However, reddit had a defense mechanism against this in that there are many, many subsections and…

> I generally unsubscribe from all of those defaults (except maybe /r/WorldNews) Maybe I don't understand how bad the rest of the default subs are, but the last time I went to the comments in r/worldnews, I saw nothing but awful, racist garbage. Maybe the links and headlines are worth reading, but those comments have completely killed any interest in discussion there.

They also think the US isn't part of the world.

I get it, you want a news place that's not all US, all the time. I'm right there with you, but if I am going to "world news", then I expect news from everywhere in the world.

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