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Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Conservative is the wrong word but a lot of people on Reddit hate everyone that's not a white socialist atheist anti-Zionist middle class man

That's called a liberal by American terms

As an actual liberal, I prefer the term "authoritarian liberal" to distinguish anti-free speech and 'edgy' sexist/racist left folk from liberals. And I've never understood conservatives as much as I do now.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#72
post #38

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Thank you for this very well written response. I was struggling to say what you just explained so well. The reason I personally think it will destroy Reddit is because it has already ruined a few of the subreddits I subscribe to. Mainly /r/technology, /r/news, and /r/politics.

A lot of the default sub-reddits are weakly moderated, and so very vulnerable to brigading, bullying, harassment, and boundary pushing. You see a lot of carefully crafted racism and "anti-sjw" posts in the default sub-reddits, for example. Bit by bit, drop by drop, they apply a consistent pressure. The mods of those sub-reddits are too dumb to figure out what's going on, or just don't care. Unfortunately, all of this…

> Of course not, so they leave and go somewhere else.

Somewhere else often being another subreddit. Topical subreddits are fine. But I guess all depends on what we mean by "saving the site".

> Realistically, if reddit itself does nothing then it's maybe a 50/50 chance whether or not these forces eventually poison the site for average users, and people just stop going there.

People won't stop going to topical subreddits because main Reddit is not the discovery mechanism - Google, word-of-mouth and websites linking to topical subreddits are. As for poisoning the site for average users - I think average users are the poison.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#73
Bye-bye K5.

It was awesome knowing you in the beginning, then hell as it turned to a troll-fest, then fun for a few more years as it turned into a weirdly tight-knit community that abused each other for fun.

I have two IRL friends from there now...

But I won't miss it.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#74
post #39

First there was Slashdot, but CmdrTaco insisted on picking the stories for us. He called it an "omelet". Kuro5hin came along to fix this, but discouraged posts that were just links to pages elsewhere on the web. IIRC, this was called "link farming". How many users had the talent and time to create original content, and then survive the ridiculous Kuro5shin editing process? Not many. Digg then encouraged links, but sh…

> How many users had the talent and time to create original content, and then survive the ridiculous Kuro5shin editing process? Not many. k5 had a diary section where you could publish anything you wanted. I think the biggest problem with k5 were the annoying "trolls" that were allowed to to shitpost without any restraint whatsoever and eventually overran the whole site.

There were (at least) two distinct subfactions of trolls. One were the purely destructive, who'd started out on slashdot posting goatse and gnaa vileness. This faction has basically continued, in spirit if not in personnel, to be the pro-abuse faction wherever things are discussed on the internet.

The other faction were people fed up of what they percieved as groupthink, who ran a much more subtle and 'traditional' trolling campaign culminating in the foundation of Adequacy.org . I still refer people to their great general-purpose essay "Why the Bombings Mean That We Must Support My Politics".

http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.9.12.102423.271.html

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Conservative is probably the wrong word, hateful being more correct. And it's a serious problem on reddit. The majority of redditors are generally left-leaning. But the hateful people on reddit are more organized and more dedicated. They participate in degrading the experience of anyone who doesn't believe the same as they do, and that drives some people away. Outside of the very few well moderated sub-reddits this i…

As a right-leaning, generally-conservative guy, the most organized hate I've gotten on reddit is because I'm a right-leaning, generally-conservative guy rather than being a more-reddit-acceptable left-leaning Sanders-supporting liberal.

Honestly I think when communities become large, it's the moderates who lose. I'm regularly downvoted into oblivion and most of my opinions are moderate-left. It doesn't matter how much you support Sanders, try pointing out that just saying "Fukushima" a thousand times isn't justification for deriding nuclear energy and you'll quickly find your comment straddling the bottom of the page at -500.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#76
k5 was the first place where I realised that trolling was a hobby for some people, that I encountered the knuckle-dragging form of misogynism that has now come to the fore on Twitter and social media generally, and where I realised that long-form writing in a forum-structure could have a home.

I loved k5 when it was good. But when it was bad… man, it was really bad.

I will remember it with a sense of fondness, but given I only checked in on it twice in the last 4-5 years shows how little I'll miss it.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#77
post #21

I am going to predict that Reddit will soon collapse because it is overrun with conservative minded people. It's starting to become a really hateful community.

The real answer, as always, is to stay away from the default subreddits because The Public is shitty. There's a spectrum of communities, ranging from obscure and niche to mainstream and general. Too obscure, and communities become insular; it's boring because nothing happens. Too mainstream, and it gets overrun by dickheads and yelling. You always want to be on the cusp between the two. Hacker News straddles a pretty…

Ones I subscribe to are /r/headphones, /r/pbsideachannel, /r/buyitforlife, /r/lowlevel, /r/asmr, and a few others.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#78

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I'd not heard of this community before. Before my time, I guess. The idea of publishing something or not is rather interesting. It presumably encouraged much higher quality content.

> It presumably encouraged much higher quality content. Haha, oh boy. You're talking about k5, man. We practically prided ourselves on terrible and meta content. But yes, some of the longer-form stuff was truly interesting. You had to submit to some pretty grueling dissection of your work by a broad group of people, though, and I only front paged a couple articles because I didn't truly understand what was going on.…

An article that's always stuck in my head was a longform on Economics 101. Damn interesting.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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post #35

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I became good online friends with kitten through kuro5hin. I was very sad when he passed as well.

Kitten passed?

http://mirrorshades.org/wc/2010/02/andrew_m_zebrowitz_july_2...

His family setup an endowed fund at Emory.

http://news.emory.edu/stories/2015/07/donor_grad_zebrowitz/c...

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

#80

You can still read legendary Kuro5hin contributor localroger's writing here: http://localroger.com/

My story, 'Electronic Taxi Dispatch, v1.0' was the last to post. I saved my diaries and stories about my adventures in the taxi, I guess I should buy a domain of my own.

Please do that. I enjoyed your stories, particularly 'Who Are Your Lifelines?'
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