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Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by mrweasel »

Trill-I-Am wrote: post #34
weanoob wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit? Conservative? Are you joking?

Conservative is the wrong word but a lot of people on Reddit hate everyone that's not a white socialist atheist anti-Zionist middle class man

For a "community" that preaches tolerance, a large number of people on Reddit seems to lack just that, tolerance. I use the term community lightly, because sometimes Reddit appear more to be an angry mob.

There is a very limited set of opinions and beliefs that are accepted on Reddit. Mostly the moderators don't seem to mind, but it's pretty obvious that derivation from the accepted truth is down voted to an extreme. Being exposed to a large number of different opinions is generally a health thing, but it also highlight the possibility that you might be wrong, and people, Redditors least of all, don't want to be proven wrong.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by digi_owl »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #31
weanoob wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit? Conservative? Are you joking?

Conservative is probably the wrong word, hateful being more correct. And it's a serious problem on reddit. The majority of redditors are generally left-leaning. But the hateful people on reddit are more organized and more dedicated. They participate in degrading the experience of anyone who doesn't believe the same as they do, and that drives some people away. Outside of the very few well moderated sub-reddits this i…

Or maybe authoritarian?

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by mrweasel »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #31
weanoob wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit? Conservative? Are you joking?

Conservative is probably the wrong word, hateful being more correct. And it's a serious problem on reddit. The majority of redditors are generally left-leaning. But the hateful people on reddit are more organized and more dedicated. They participate in degrading the experience of anyone who doesn't believe the same as they do, and that drives some people away. Outside of the very few well moderated sub-reddits this i…

I'm not sure if it's intentional, but you make it sound like left-leaning people can't be hateful. The left-leaning crowd of redditors can be just as hateful towards the people they disagree with as the right wing.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by userbinator »

atdt wrote: post #26

Google's cache has approximate 480 story pages still in its cache. The Wayback Machine won't show any results for the site because of its current robots.txt. It'd be great if someone could scrape these pages and provide them as an archive. I am not sure how to do that without running afoul of Google's terms-of-service. List of URLs: https://dpaste.de/YbEq/raw

You can use http://archive.is/

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by mavhc »

Trill-I-Am wrote: post #34
weanoob wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit? Conservative? Are you joking?

Conservative is the wrong word but a lot of people on Reddit hate everyone that's not a white socialist atheist anti-Zionist middle class man

Everyone loves democracy and freedom of speech until they get to be in charge

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by InclinedPlane »

vinhboy wrote: post #38
InclinedPlane wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conservative is probably the wrong word, hateful being more correct. And it's a serious problem on reddit. The majority of redditors are generally left-leaning. But the hateful people on reddit are more organized and more dedicated. They participate in degrading the experience of anyone who doesn't believe the same as they do, and that drives some people away. Outside of the very few well moderated sub-reddits this i…

Thank you for this very well written response. I was struggling to say what you just explained so well. The reason I personally think it will destroy Reddit is because it has already ruined a few of the subreddits I subscribe to. Mainly /r/technology, /r/news, and /r/politics.

A lot of the default sub-reddits are weakly moderated, and so very vulnerable to brigading, bullying, harassment, and boundary pushing. You see a lot of carefully crafted racism and "anti-sjw" posts in the default sub-reddits, for example. Bit by bit, drop by drop, they apply a consistent pressure. The mods of those sub-reddits are too dumb to figure out what's going on, or just don't care. Unfortunately, all of this slowly drives away people who are sensitive enough to care, or just ordinary people. For them, it's not worth it to "fight the good fight", is some dumb sub-reddit worth that cost? Of course not, so they leave and go somewhere else. This is a slow dynamics problem, and the "good" parts of reddit aren't strong enough to save the site.

Realistically, if reddit itself does nothing then it's maybe a 50/50 chance whether or not these forces eventually poison the site for average users, and people just stop going there. For most people these things aren't super noticeable, yet, because they're still not the dominant aspect of the site, but they've driven away who knows how many people, and continue to do so, while the racists, homophobes, and misogynists still have their little clubs on the site. Some of the worst sub-reddits were banned a while back, but many horrid ones still exist. And the people who spend their time there spend their time posting and voting on other parts of reddit as well.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by erikpukinskis »

draugadrotten wrote: post #16
brianberns wrote: post #14

First there was Slashdot, but CmdrTaco insisted on picking the stories for us. He called it an "omelet". Kuro5hin came along to fix this, but discouraged posts that were just links to pages elsewhere on the web. IIRC, this was called "link farming". How many users had the talent and time to create original content, and then survive the ridiculous Kuro5shin editing process? Not many. Digg then encouraged links, but sh…

> Nowadays, reddit is king because it avoided the obvious mistakes of its predecessors. reddit even seem to have found a way to deal with obnoxius moderators - allowing multiple subreddits

The solution to all problems is let your users do it.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by taxicabjesus »

dempseye wrote: post #22

You can still read legendary Kuro5hin contributor localroger's writing here: http://localroger.com/

My story, 'Electronic Taxi Dispatch, v1.0' was the last to post. I saved my diaries and stories about my adventures in the taxi, I guess I should buy a domain of my own.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by iLoch »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #47
draugadrotten wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nowadays, reddit is king because it avoided the obvious mistakes of its predecessors. reddit even seem to have found a way to deal with obnoxius moderators - allowing multiple subreddits

The solution to all problems is let your users do it.

Not if you want to make money though or have any real control of the direction of your company though, apparently.

Re: RIP Kuro5hin

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Post by Grue3 »

glandium wrote: post #29
userbinator wrote: post #19

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Amusingly enough, if you read it as "kuro-shin" that could correspond to the Japanese characters 黒心, which literally translates to "black heart". That's what I thought the name was supposed to be too.

FWIW, くろ (kuro) is the "kunyomi" of 黒 and しん(shin) is the "onyomi" of 心. Japanese 2-character compound words don't mix onyomi and kunyomi. I don't think there is a character with a "kuro" onyomi or one with a "shin" kunyomi (well, there's 信じる (shinjiru), but that's a reading that doesn't go without the hiragana).

Actually there's a lot of words that mix onyomi and kunyomi. For example, 親身 "shinmi" (relative): both of the characters have onyomi "shin", but 身 uses kunyomi reading "mi" in this word. Other examples are 見本, 強気, 親分, it's more common than you'd think.
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