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Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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Post by saizai »

busterarm wrote: post #29
saizai wrote: post #11

See also LCS press release:  http://conlang.org/axanar/ Disclosure: I founded the LCS, directed our participation as amicus in this case, and am press contact for this issue. Marc Randazza wrote the awesome amicus brief (linked in OP) pro bono.

Mark Randazza the same lawyer who installed malware on peoples' computers and tried to extort money from them for illegally downloading gay porn? https://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2015/07/09/marc-randazza-mu... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/how-copyright-law... (ransomware, even - of the 'pay me $4k within 30 days or I'll disable your computer' variety...it doesn't get any more scummy)

Sorry, but I don't know anything about that either way, so I can't comment.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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Post by saizai »

Vivtek wrote: post #27
chris_wot wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only imagine the difficulties and challenges faced by those folks who could only ever speak in nouns. Really, really long nouns in sentences stated very indirectly.

Don't underestimate the human capacity for circumlocution. The Hungarian language has no word for "to have". Seriously. And they do just fine without it.

Russian doesn't normally use a verb for 'to have' either. It's mainly expressed as a preposition (_u_).

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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Post by saizai »

plank wrote: post #2

OK, so if Paramount loses (as I would expect), does this then mean that the lawsuit between Oracle and Google around speaking the language 'Java' gets an interesting precedent?

See: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2015/0... https://www.publicknowledge.org/news-blog/blogs/in-a-lawsuit...

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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Post by chris_wot »

wiredfool wrote: post #22
chris_wot wrote: post #5

What we have here is one of the true great footnotes in legal history: "2. Mr. Okrand himself has asserted that the Klingon language, tlhIngan Hol, was received by him from a captured Klingon named Maltz. See Okrand, Marc, The Klingon Dictionary (1985). Thus, Plaintiffs may be estopped from asserting otherwise for the purposes of this litigation. See Arica Inst., Inc. v. Palmer, 970 F.2d 1067, 1075 (2d Cir. 1992) (au…

36 English translation: “This will not stand, man.” Latin transliteration: “not Qam ghu'vam, loD!” See also Lebowski, Jeffrey., THE BIG LEBOWSKI, 1998.

Nice try, but it doesn't cite prior case law.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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Post by saganus »

throwanem wrote: post #19

I'm not sure whether, in all the brouhaha over this lawsuit, anyone has paid much attention to the fan film around which it revolves. "Star Trek: Axanar" is currently in production for a mid-2016 release, and the short film/long trailer, "Prelude to Axanar", is a remarkable piece of work in its own right. Don't let the "fan film" label put you off, either; these are professionally produced works, with a compelling st…

Wow. Is that really fan film?

I mean... I was just mad that it ended after only 20 mins... I was so hooked I wanted it to keep going.

How does a fan film get those actors? I mean, I can imagine that a lot of ST fans have money, but still.

Thanks for linking. That was awesome.

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Post by wiredfool »

busterarm wrote: post #29
saizai wrote: post #11

See also LCS press release:  http://conlang.org/axanar/ Disclosure: I founded the LCS, directed our participation as amicus in this case, and am press contact for this issue. Marc Randazza wrote the awesome amicus brief (linked in OP) pro bono.

Mark Randazza the same lawyer who installed malware on peoples' computers and tried to extort money from them for illegally downloading gay porn? https://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2015/07/09/marc-randazza-mu... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/how-copyright-law... (ransomware, even - of the 'pay me $4k within 30 days or I'll disable your computer' variety...it doesn't get any more scummy)

It does appear that he is the one mentioned in those articles.

(He and Ken White of Popehat are mentioned in the articles, and Marc's twitter feed mentions this breif)

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Post by gulpahum »

BugsBunnySan wrote: post #30
chris_wot wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy crap! These fan films are getting better and better all the time! I can see why the studios are crapping themselves. No longer are they competing on mere copying , now they are competing on creativity! Seriously, if fans can do this with Star Trek, I wonder if they should take the central precepts of Star Trek, make their own entirely seperate universe and to hell with it - the studios who refuse to continue muc…

Well, in a small way, someone did that: Star Wreck - In the Prikinning ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472566/ ) available for free here: https://archive.org/details/StarWreckInThePirkining (These are the guys who then went on to do Iron Sky :D )

And they are also planning a new Star Wreck short film!

http://www.starwreck.com

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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Post by saizai »

saganus wrote: post #36
throwanem wrote: post #19

I'm not sure whether, in all the brouhaha over this lawsuit, anyone has paid much attention to the fan film around which it revolves. "Star Trek: Axanar" is currently in production for a mid-2016 release, and the short film/long trailer, "Prelude to Axanar", is a remarkable piece of work in its own right. Don't let the "fan film" label put you off, either; these are professionally produced works, with a compelling st…

Wow. Is that really fan film? I mean... I was just mad that it ended after only 20 mins... I was so hooked I wanted it to keep going. How does a fan film get those actors? I mean, I can imagine that a lot of ST fans have money, but still. Thanks for linking. That was awesome.

They had a kickstarter for the preview film (to prove they could do it) and then another for the full.

Also, "fan" might make you think they're amateurs. They're very much not; take a look at the cast and crew list.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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Post by shkkmo »

busterarm wrote: post #29
saizai wrote: post #11

See also LCS press release:  http://conlang.org/axanar/ Disclosure: I founded the LCS, directed our participation as amicus in this case, and am press contact for this issue. Marc Randazza wrote the awesome amicus brief (linked in OP) pro bono.

Mark Randazza the same lawyer who installed malware on peoples' computers and tried to extort money from them for illegally downloading gay porn? https://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2015/07/09/marc-randazza-mu... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/how-copyright-law... (ransomware, even - of the 'pay me $4k within 30 days or I'll disable your computer' variety...it doesn't get any more scummy)

I don't see anything in either of those articles about installing malware on people's computers. They do paint a pretty dire picture of his ethics though.
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