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Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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I'm not sure whether, in all the brouhaha over this lawsuit, anyone has paid much attention to the fan film around which it revolves. "Star Trek: Axanar" is currently in production for a mid-2016 release, and the short film/long trailer, "Prelude to Axanar", is a remarkable piece of work in its own right. Don't let the "fan film" label put you off, either; these are professionally produced works, with a compelling st…

You forgot to link to it: https://youtu.be/1W1_8IV8uhA

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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What we have here is one of the true great footnotes in legal history: "2. Mr. Okrand himself has asserted that the Klingon language, tlhIngan Hol, was received by him from a captured Klingon named Maltz. See Okrand, Marc, The Klingon Dictionary (1985). Thus, Plaintiffs may be estopped from asserting otherwise for the purposes of this litigation. See Arica Inst., Inc. v. Palmer, 970 F.2d 1067, 1075 (2d Cir. 1992) (au…

  36 English translation: “This will not stand, man.” Latin   
  transliteration: “not Qam ghu'vam, loD!” See also Lebowski, 
  Jeffrey., THE BIG LEBOWSKI, 1998.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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post #21

I'm not sure whether, in all the brouhaha over this lawsuit, anyone has paid much attention to the fan film around which it revolves. "Star Trek: Axanar" is currently in production for a mid-2016 release, and the short film/long trailer, "Prelude to Axanar", is a remarkable piece of work in its own right. Don't let the "fan film" label put you off, either; these are professionally produced works, with a compelling st…

You forgot to link to it: https://youtu.be/1W1_8IV8uhA

I did! Thanks for catching that.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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OK, so if Paramount loses (as I would expect), does this then mean that the lawsuit between Oracle and Google around speaking the language 'Java' gets an interesting precedent?

I don't believe so, the brief covers this claim: > Thus, this case should not be confused with the recent litigation over the Java computer language. As observed by the Federal Circuit, that case “was not a situation where Oracle was selecting among preordained names and phrases to create its packages.” Oracle Am., Inc. v. Google Inc., 750 F.3d 1339, 1361 (Fed. Cir. 2014) cert den’d 135 S. Ct. 2887 (U.S. 2015). Here,…

Take a look at Charles Duan's recent articles for Slate and Wired, which address this. Google his name + Klingon, Oracle, Lexmark, and/or Arista and you'll get relevant articles.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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post #21

I'm not sure whether, in all the brouhaha over this lawsuit, anyone has paid much attention to the fan film around which it revolves. "Star Trek: Axanar" is currently in production for a mid-2016 release, and the short film/long trailer, "Prelude to Axanar", is a remarkable piece of work in its own right. Don't let the "fan film" label put you off, either; these are professionally produced works, with a compelling st…

You forgot to link to it: https://youtu.be/1W1_8IV8uhA

Holy crap! These fan films are getting better and better all the time!

I can see why the studios are crapping themselves. No longer are they competing on mere copying, now they are competing on creativity!

Seriously, if fans can do this with Star Trek, I wonder if they should take the central precepts of Star Trek, make their own entirely seperate universe and to hell with it - the studios who refuse to continue much loved series can be cut out entirely and fans can make their own series.

In fact, they could make their own series but have a central authority to allow for basic continuity but maximise creativity. Now that would be remarkable.

The fans could find their own games and spinoffs pretty nicely too.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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What we have here is one of the true great footnotes in legal history: "2. Mr. Okrand himself has asserted that the Klingon language, tlhIngan Hol, was received by him from a captured Klingon named Maltz. See Okrand, Marc, The Klingon Dictionary (1985). Thus, Plaintiffs may be estopped from asserting otherwise for the purposes of this litigation. See Arica Inst., Inc. v. Palmer, 970 F.2d 1067, 1075 (2d Cir. 1992) (au…

IANAL, so I'm hoping I'm understanding this right: because Okrand wrote the dictionary, and in it claimed that he learned it from an actual Klingon, he may not now say he invented it? The argument kinda being, if the language is real, and he wrote a non-fiction authoratative book on it... then he can't be inconsistent about the origins? It's hard for me to wrap my head around it, but it's hilariously clever if I'm re…

That's the gist. This is the lawyer having (even more) fun with the lawsuit, because why the hell wouldn't you have fun in a job like this?

I'm pretty sure that he and the judge both know that Okrand's claim was a fiction/joke and that this isn't a serious legal notion to be ruled upon.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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OK, so if Paramount loses (as I would expect), does this then mean that the lawsuit between Oracle and Google around speaking the language 'Java' gets an interesting precedent?

I can only imagine the difficulties and challenges faced by those folks who could only ever speak in nouns. Really, really long nouns in sentences stated very indirectly.

Don't underestimate the human capacity for circumlocution. The Hungarian language has no word for "to have". Seriously. And they do just fine without it.

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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See also LCS press release:  http://conlang.org/axanar/ Disclosure: I founded the LCS, directed our participation as amicus in this case, and am press contact for this issue. Marc Randazza wrote the awesome amicus brief (linked in OP) pro bono.

Mark Randazza the same lawyer who installed malware on peoples' computers and tried to extort money from them for illegally downloading gay porn?

https://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2015/07/09/marc-randazza-mu... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/how-copyright-law...

(ransomware, even - of the 'pay me $4k within 30 days or I'll disable your computer' variety...it doesn't get any more scummy)

Re: Lawyer Submits Brief Partially in Klingon for Paramount Language Lawsuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to link to it: https://youtu.be/1W1_8IV8uhA

Holy crap! These fan films are getting better and better all the time! I can see why the studios are crapping themselves. No longer are they competing on mere copying , now they are competing on creativity! Seriously, if fans can do this with Star Trek, I wonder if they should take the central precepts of Star Trek, make their own entirely seperate universe and to hell with it - the studios who refuse to continue muc…

Well, in a small way, someone did that:

Star Wreck - In the Prikinning (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472566/)

available for free here: https://archive.org/details/StarWreckInThePirkining

(These are the guys who then went on to do Iron Sky :D )

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