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Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by itaysk »

thejameskyle wrote: post #49

It's frustrating that the only reason thats really given for TypeScript being "better" than Babel is that it has more downloads, using incorrect charts to prove it. Here's the actual download charts if you are interested: https://twitter.com/thejameskyle/status/725344218411986946 Source: - babel-core: http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=babel-core&author=&f... - typescript: http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package…

The charts are not to say the TypeScript is better then Babel, it's to show that 'it has won'

Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by thejameskyle »

maaaats wrote: post #59
thejameskyle wrote: post #49

It's frustrating that the only reason thats really given for TypeScript being "better" than Babel is that it has more downloads, using incorrect charts to prove it. Here's the actual download charts if you are interested: https://twitter.com/thejameskyle/status/725344218411986946 Source: - babel-core: http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=babel-core&author=&f... - typescript: http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package…

> Also if you want types with Babel, use Flow– which is arguably a much better type system anyways. Why? Besides, kinda ironic you point out the lack of reasoning in the article, then making a bold claim on your own providing no arguments.

I've given up on trying to have serious discussions about these things on Hacker News. It's a really bad community for that sort of thing. Find me elsewhere if you want to have that discussion.

Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by chimeracoder »

doodpants wrote: post #53
mordocai wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On point 2, I don't think an optional type checker has any real downsides that I can think of (optional because with typescript you don't have to add type annotations to your code). It helps with debugging and possibly performance but you can choose not to use it. The rest of your comment I agree with.

I have no experience with TypeScript, but in general the downside of optional language features is when you're working with a team, and different people end up using different dialects of the language.

That doesn't really apply here, because type annotations have no runtime effect. They're effectively comments.

Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by verroq »

knowtheory wrote: post #21

I could quibble with the conflation of correlation w/ causation for a lot of the comments this post makes about es6/babel or coffeescript. But each time i re-read this post, the cohesive point that pops out most is that this post is basically a Donald Trump speech about Typescript. The claim is that it's bigger, it's better, and everyone else is a bit sad. It disingenuously claims that it's not about about competitio…

I don't know what any of this has anything to do with Trump.

Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by benjaminjackman »

superskierpat wrote: post #3

On the topic of typescript vs purescript and similar projects, I believe these projects are more for people who want to stay in the same mindset across the whole stack. So haskell with ghjs or purescript and scala with scalajs... I dont think they are really in competition with typescript.

This reflects my use case. I was just writing Scala code that compiles to both the JVM and JS. The requirements for the code in terms of performance for the JVM side are very intense which ruled out using Typescript there. I am using the browser for visualizations / UI where I have used Typescript in the past, between using Vanilla Javascript and then Coffeescript and before Scala.js was available.

I continue to watch Typescript because I think it has its place and certainly is worth knowing / using in certain projects. I really appreciate the .d.ts/DefinitelyTyped (files which provide Typescript static types for javascript libraries) that are available, I am able to mostly convert them to ScalaJS facades programatically which gives me nice code complete in ScalaJS.

One area I think Typescript outshines ScalaJS is if you have a large existing Javascript codebase, or are a Javascript programmer looking to incrementally improve your codebase / language knowledge Typescript is the best step in that direction.

However if you are going `full stack`, with high performance requirements on one side, and a browser on the other, right now I think Scala is the best option. That opinion might change in the future with web-assembly (then perhaps back again e.g. scala.native ).

Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by maaaats »

thejameskyle wrote: post #62
maaaats wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also if you want types with Babel, use Flow– which is arguably a much better type system anyways. Why? Besides, kinda ironic you point out the lack of reasoning in the article, then making a bold claim on your own providing no arguments.

I've given up on trying to have serious discussions about these things on Hacker News. It's a really bad community for that sort of thing. Find me elsewhere if you want to have that discussion.

Ever wondered if it's exactly because of people discussing like this?

Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by knowtheory »

verroq wrote: post #65
knowtheory wrote: post #21

I could quibble with the conflation of correlation w/ causation for a lot of the comments this post makes about es6/babel or coffeescript. But each time i re-read this post, the cohesive point that pops out most is that this post is basically a Donald Trump speech about Typescript. The claim is that it's bigger, it's better, and everyone else is a bit sad. It disingenuously claims that it's not about about competitio…

I don't know what any of this has anything to do with Trump.

Donald Trump, well aside from the content of his speeches, has been noted for his rhetorical style. As i stated, this bears some resemblance.

Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by atom-morgan »

verroq wrote: post #65
knowtheory wrote: post #21

I could quibble with the conflation of correlation w/ causation for a lot of the comments this post makes about es6/babel or coffeescript. But each time i re-read this post, the cohesive point that pops out most is that this post is basically a Donald Trump speech about Typescript. The claim is that it's bigger, it's better, and everyone else is a bit sad. It disingenuously claims that it's not about about competitio…

I don't know what any of this has anything to do with Trump.

> this post is basically a Donald Trump speech about Typescript.

Re: TypeScript Won

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Post by thejameskyle »

avolcano wrote: post #52
thejameskyle wrote: post #49

It's frustrating that the only reason thats really given for TypeScript being "better" than Babel is that it has more downloads, using incorrect charts to prove it. Here's the actual download charts if you are interested: https://twitter.com/thejameskyle/status/725344218411986946 Source: - babel-core: http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=babel-core&author=&f... - typescript: http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package…

fwiw, TypeScript -> Babel is doable, if painful. I have it set up in my repo here: https://github.com/thomasboyt/manygolf I agree that Flow currently the superior type system (and, unlike TypeScript, not a complete nightmare to set up if you're wanting to use Babel/Webpack instead of manually running file builds through your editor like it's 2002), but TypeScript has significantly more momentum behind it making it a…

There's not really a gap between them. I've spoken to people on the TypeScript team a number of times. Jonathan Turner and I talked about sharing ASTs once, and I gave an internal presentation about Babel at Microsoft last year. Also, there's tons of people that use TypeScript for type-checking and stripping types and then use Babel for compiling down ES2015 code since Babel follows the spec closer.
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