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Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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If it wasn't going to eat into Xbox One sales, I'm sure Microsoft would consider it. The Xbox 360 makes a far better media center than the Xbox One does. The apps on the 360 crash less then on the One and dealing with crashed apps on the 360 is much more reliable. For example, when your YouTube app crashes/hangs on the Xbox One, returning to the menu does nothing as the app pauses/runs in the background. You can hit…

If you quit the app with the menu button then it is quit completely. Essentially, the "home" functionality works just like on iOS or Android. You're right that it is not always intuitive in situations when an app is hanging/frozen, but I'm not sure why you have to open other apps to get it to quit - I've never had that problem. Disclosure: I used to work on the Xbox Live team at MSFT but no longer do.

That may be what's supposed to happen and what does in testing, but that's not real world behavior.

I had the YouTube app crash on my Xbox One just yesterday. I hit menu and selected quit. Waited a few seconds. Hit menu again and quit wasn't an available option which should mean that it's done being force quit. Started YouTube again and it will still hung playing audio with a frozen picture. Sometimes I'll start it again and it'll just show the YouTube logo for a few seconds then return to home. It'll often do this a few times in a row. I have maybe 6 people in my neighborhood with Xbox Ones that all experience the same issues.

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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Sega's 8-bit Master System console is still being sold in Brazil. http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/brazil-is-a-video-game-...

Who makes them now though?

Tectoy

http://www.tectoy.com.br/master-system-evolution-132-jogos/p...

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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IMO, the amazing thing about the 360 was how they were able to successfully continue selling it in spite of having the ring of death issues[0]. I know people who would go and buy a new machine when theirs died without thinking about it twice. One even gave me their 360 when the ONE came out. Microsoft sure knows how to build brand loyalty. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

Maybe... but I saw recently that the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One two-to-one. I'm not on top of that world enough to know all the reasons why, but the "ring of death" could be one.

PS4 launched cheaper. And sony was way more aggressive on sales.

all my friends that do have PS4s got them for 'free' when buying a new TV.

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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IMO, the amazing thing about the 360 was how they were able to successfully continue selling it in spite of having the ring of death issues[0]. I know people who would go and buy a new machine when theirs died without thinking about it twice. One even gave me their 360 when the ONE came out. Microsoft sure knows how to build brand loyalty. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

I have a first generation Xbox 360. Microsoft repaired the RRoD three times under warranty. The fourth time it RRoD'd was out of warranty and so it sat for a couple of years. Later I fixed with about $15 worth of parts [1] in an afternoon. It's still running after 10 years with the same 20gig hard disk.

Analyzing my experience, the out of band warranty extension is a feature of an underlying value Microsoft placing on gaming. It's not just that the repairs were the right way to make something that was going to suck suck less. It's that the core proposition of the Xbox 360 was that the experience of using it would keep getting better and that it would get better because games would get better. Playing FIFA 16 is better than playing FIFA 12 was better than playing FIFA 07.

Beyond that, the software keeps getting better because Microsoft values developers. They're not all just share croppers who pay 30% to enter a downward race toward ninety-nine cents.

[1] 8 cheeseheads, a tube of thermal paste, and a sheet of .070. aluminum from the hobby shoppe.

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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> this "ads everywhere" has leaked into Windows 10 (though you can turn them off a bit). Where? I've been using Windows 10 everyday for months and haven't seen an ad. There was that one time that something resembling a Tomb Raider ad was served to users' lock screens, but I never saw it myself and I've never seen anything else. Maybe it depends on which version of Windows 10?

lock screen, start menu, "growl" notifications…

You're really making a mountain out of a molehill, I can hardly find ads on W10 if I try. Never actually noticed one before.

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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If you quit the app with the menu button then it is quit completely. Essentially, the "home" functionality works just like on iOS or Android. You're right that it is not always intuitive in situations when an app is hanging/frozen, but I'm not sure why you have to open other apps to get it to quit - I've never had that problem. Disclosure: I used to work on the Xbox Live team at MSFT but no longer do.

That may be what's supposed to happen and what does in testing, but that's not real world behavior. I had the YouTube app crash on my Xbox One just yesterday. I hit menu and selected quit. Waited a few seconds. Hit menu again and quit wasn't an available option which should mean that it's done being force quit. Started YouTube again and it will still hung playing audio with a frozen picture. Sometimes I'll start it a…

I can also confirm this.

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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The living room is typically the biggest screen in people's homes, the screen they spend the most time with, and the screen they are the "fondest" for as it is the home for much of their entertainment. Why wouldn't Microsoft want to be at the center of that? Microsoft wants to "own" all of your screens, by being the friendly operating system and development tool provider for them, so of course the battle of the livin…

Is that really true? I would think that most people spend more time on their phones than watching TV.

You are right. http://flurrymobile.tumblr.com/post/128773968605/the-cable-i...

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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I think the "aha!" moment for this is, today, still another 30-50 or even many more years away. I could ramble on for hours as to what I want the future to look like, but suffice it to say it really would be what we generally refer to now as the "automated home of the future". The largest obstacle right now is branding and current technology. Every individual company is vying to meet all your needs. Microsoft wants y…

Weird, I'm actually building a system to do just that. Alpha should be out in early May.

You're building 1024K wall surfaces?

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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IMO, the amazing thing about the 360 was how they were able to successfully continue selling it in spite of having the ring of death issues[0]. I know people who would go and buy a new machine when theirs died without thinking about it twice. One even gave me their 360 when the ONE came out. Microsoft sure knows how to build brand loyalty. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

Maybe... but I saw recently that the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One two-to-one. I'm not on top of that world enough to know all the reasons why, but the "ring of death" could be one.

VGChartz has console sales figures: http://www.vgchartz.com/

Re: Microsoft is ending Xbox 360 production more than 10 years after its debut

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Weird, I'm actually building a system to do just that. Alpha should be out in early May.

You're building 1024K wall surfaces?

I wish I had the budget! No, I'm building an IoT system not aimed at low power mc.
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