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But that misses the parent's point. At $300, the Xbox One isn't an AppleTV competitor.
Sure, but it would eat a non-zero amount of Xbox One sales. Presumably that's why Microsoft isn't about to do it.
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But that misses the parent's point. At $300, the Xbox One isn't an AppleTV competitor.
Sure, but it would eat a non-zero amount of Xbox One sales. Presumably that's why Microsoft isn't about to do it.
I am not a hardware guy, but honestly, they should mini-fy XB360 and make it appleTV competitor but with a huge game library.
There were 3 generations on Xenon which powered Xbox360 (90nm (2005), 65nm (2007), 48nm (2010+))[1]. Modern processes are 28, 16/14 (10nm is Intel only really and Xenons were fabbed GlobalFoundry) [1]. The 2005 vs 2010 models reduced power consumption reduced power consumption from 177watts, to 88watts (under intensive gameplay) [2].
So realistically there are 2(ish) nodes available 28nm and 14/16nm [3]. Which could likely (best case scenario) halve power down to 50-40watts. Apple TV by comparison uses 1.8watts [4]. Passive cooling is possible, but the case foot print would be larger.
I'm not a thermodynamics guy.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor)
[2] http://www.anandtech.com/show/3774/welcome-to-valhalla-insid...
[3] 14nm/16nm are 28nm but a different gate style. Features are still 28nm. Also I'm assuming GlobalFoundry is calling their 45nm node 48nm because they called their 14nm node 16nm.
[4] http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id...
[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
I bought an Xbox 360 about six months ago to serve as a Windows Media Center extender - while I was at it I picked up GTA5, too. It's still a very respectable machine, given that it cost me less than $100.
Surprised they continued manufacturing them this long. Why wait until three years after releasing the Xbox One?
For example, Brazil's incredibly protective trade policies requires electronics to be made locally if they are to be sold at an affordable price point. The 360 only went on sale there in 2011 when MS opened up a local manufacturing facility and it was the last refuge of the PS2 which only went on sale when local production began in 2009. The Brazilian market isn't large enough for MS to justify duplicate tooling and other custom production equipment needed to produce a local version of the Xbox One. However, the decline in demand for the 360 would have led to excess production capacity, allowing MS to set up a local plant with the excess equipment from underulitized original production lines.
Also, the 360-specific tooling and production equipment has long since been paid off which greatly reduces the cost per unit. The 360 provides MS with a budget offering capable of accessing developing markets which can't support the $300 pricepoint of a current gen console.
I bought an Xbox 360 about six months ago to serve as a Windows Media Center extender - while I was at it I picked up GTA5, too. It's still a very respectable machine, given that it cost me less than $100.
It's no longer "just a game console" and is really in the first generation of converged, internet-updatable consoles.
And in that generation? Even if your console doesn't run the latest games, there's still substantial value delivered for a lot of people through Netflix, social features, casual games, etc. And MS can continue backporting their UI updates.