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Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by lostgame »

ProAm wrote: post #7
johansch wrote: post #4

Apple misled media. I hope media learns from this.

Learn what? Everyone still wins, Apple won, the media got clicks, everyone is a winner. Let's be real wars have been fought over similar misrepresentation of the facts, nothing is going to change because all the parties involved make money on this kind of stuff. Tech journalism cares about getting views today, and only today. They can put out a correction tomorrow that no one will read because its about yesterday's n…

Not sure why this is down voted.

It's an important point that this whole problem with media is the old axiom 'any publicity is good publicity.' If that wasn't true, I think the media would be hella more accurate.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by wildmusings »

e40 wrote: post #32
adventured wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being too extreme. Bloomberg, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, and to a lesser extent the NY Times are all still reputable, even if they all still produce occasional junk. I don't believe there is a single reputable news source on earth, if the qualification is never producing junk articles.

The Wall Street Journal is getting less so. Being a Murdock owned publication it was/is bound to happen. After the purchase, the political coverage has taken a decided more conservative leaning. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also infected the financial reporting.

People make the mistake of equating editorials with political news. They are not the same thing. The opinion section, the pages that have OPINION in big bold text at the top, are forthrightly conservative/libertarian, even though they have at least one regular liberal opinion columnist (William Galston) and constantly have guest articles written by politicians and business leaders of all stripes. The news sections are totally different and are pretty unbiased.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by rveeblefetzer »

scholia wrote: post #10
rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the problem with 24/7 news and the Internet. 1: Someone breaks a story 2: People get interested and share it with their friends 3: Other sources want a piece of that action so they bandwagon and cite the original piece for their own version. I am often struck at how our modern communications framework, going all the way back to the telegraph, has allowed so much misinformation to be spread.

Some of those reporters are contracted to write five or even 10 posts per day. It's not like a NYT or WSJ reporter spending three weeks or three months on one story. Also, because Google promotes blogspam without any regard for content quality (see the "freshness algorithm"), you lose money by spending longer on a post. It's the exception rather than the rule that somebody will come along several days later and hit i…

I'm a journalist; lots of my colleagues were floored watching the doc about the NYT, "Page One," when David Carr tells his editor, "I'm doing two more weeks of reporting on this, then it might take a week to write it and show it to you."

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by jeff_tyrrill »

bobwaycott wrote: post #35
efdee wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, how dares he provide an interesting service while pitching his startup on a startup related news aggregator.

This isn't the only time s/he's done it, and it reads as unnecessary ad spam—which is frequently looked down upon here. The same thing was downvoted in another thread. And if this user is going to continue doing it, it's going to become very annoying very quickly.

Hacker News would be immensely more valuable and useful to me if a poster such as abhi3 posted such a well-written summary on every story.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by jasonpeacock »

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

There was Al Jazeera America, but it couldn't make itself profitable. But we still have Al Jazeera English:

http://www.aljazeera.com/

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by cooper12 »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #3
FreedomToCreate wrote: post #2

This hits the nail on the head in calling out news reporting sites who don't fact check or truthfully report a topic. Its incredible how far from the actually story the Apple recycled gold headline deviates and really makes you wonder if citing so called reputable sources is even valid in some cases.

That's the problem with 24/7 news and the Internet. 1: Someone breaks a story 2: People get interested and share it with their friends 3: Other sources want a piece of that action so they bandwagon and cite the original piece for their own version. I am often struck at how our modern communications framework, going all the way back to the telegraph, has allowed so much misinformation to be spread.

I mean packet loss and mutation is inherent to communication though. Just consider the game of telephone or how rumors spread; the technology doesn't matter, it's our own memories and interpretations that are at fault. In this case people are too trustworthy of information from others and don't scrutinize it.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by bobwaycott »

jeff_tyrrill wrote: post #45
bobwaycott wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't the only time s/he's done it, and it reads as unnecessary ad spam—which is frequently looked down upon here. The same thing was downvoted in another thread. And if this user is going to continue doing it, it's going to become very annoying very quickly.

Hacker News would be immensely more valuable and useful to me if a poster such as abhi3 posted such a well-written summary on every story.

And that would be fine—as an ad-free TL;DR, as so many other HN members offer on many long articles.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by djsumdog »

jasonpeacock wrote: post #46
c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

There was Al Jazeera America, but it couldn't make itself profitable. But we still have Al Jazeera English: http://www.aljazeera.com/

Al Jazeera use to be a reliable source of news, back when Donald Rumsfeld called it a propaganda network. Today it's pretty much just another part of the US/EU propaganda network.

People like to think NPR or BBC are different, but they're not. They spit out whatever is handed to the in government/company press releases.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by throwaway2016a »

bobwaycott wrote: post #35
efdee wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, how dares he provide an interesting service while pitching his startup on a startup related news aggregator.

This isn't the only time s/he's done it, and it reads as unnecessary ad spam—which is frequently looked down upon here. The same thing was downvoted in another thread. And if this user is going to continue doing it, it's going to become very annoying very quickly.

It's not that they posted the summary, it is that they put the link at the end advertising the product. The summary was appreciated.
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