Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True • Hacker News Board

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by astrodust » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:03 PM UTC

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #3

FreedomToCreate wrote: post #2

This hits the nail on the head in calling out news reporting sites who don't fact check or truthfully report a topic. Its incredible how far from the actually story the Apple recycled gold headline deviates and really makes you wonder if citing so called reputable sources is even valid in some cases.

That's the problem with 24/7 news and the Internet. 1: Someone breaks a story 2: People get interested and share it with their friends 3: Other sources want a piece of that action so they bandwagon and cite the original piece for their own version. I am often struck at how our modern communications framework, going all the way back to the telegraph, has allowed so much misinformation to be spread.

It's a fundamental constant of the universe. Comforting lies spread faster than inconvenient truths.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by e40 » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:06 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #28

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

I think you're being too extreme. Bloomberg, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, and to a lesser extent the NY Times are all still reputable, even if they all still produce occasional junk. I don't believe there is a single reputable news source on earth, if the qualification is never producing junk articles.

The Wall Street Journal is getting less so. Being a Murdock owned publication it was/is bound to happen. After the purchase, the political coverage has taken a decided more conservative leaning. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also infected the financial reporting.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by Aelinsaar » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:07 PM UTC

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

It says what has always been true, but what we're only now having the ability to regularly publish: FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by malchow » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

WSJ has floors of smart, trained, inquisitive journalists who assemble real original data and break real original stories, and who try hard–through single, double, and triple verification–to ensure the accuracy of every single figure and fact they report.

Which is why it's sometimes annoying to see people treat paywalls as though they were moral disgraces.

Source: I help invest for the chairman of the company.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by bobwaycott » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:11 PM UTC

efdee wrote: post #30

bobwaycott wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, can you cut it out with the summary advertising crap?

Yes, how dares he provide an interesting service while pitching his startup on a startup related news aggregator.

This isn't the only time s/he's done it, and it reads as unnecessary ad spam—which is frequently looked down upon here. The same thing was downvoted in another thread. And if this user is going to continue doing it, it's going to become very annoying very quickly.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by scott_s » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:13 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #28

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

I think you're being too extreme. Bloomberg, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, and to a lesser extent the NY Times are all still reputable, even if they all still produce occasional junk. I don't believe there is a single reputable news source on earth, if the qualification is never producing junk articles.

Curious - I would have flipped the Post and the Times in your sentence.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by jkoebler » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:13 PM UTC

uxp wrote: post #29

scholia wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of those reporters are contracted to write five or even 10 posts per day. It's not like a NYT or WSJ reporter spending three weeks or three months on one story. Also, because Google promotes blogspam without any regard for content quality (see the "freshness algorithm"), you lose money by spending longer on a post. It's the exception rather than the rule that somebody will come along several days later and hit i…

> Some of those reporters are contracted to write five or even 10 posts per day. It's not like a NYT or WSJ reporter spending three weeks or three months on one story. Vice doesn't necessarily fall out of that category either. Smack dab in the middle is the statement: "I still had outstanding questions, which I asked Apple ... The company has not yet responded." The number of times I've read a developing story that h…

I wrote this article, I gave Apple 18 hours to respond. The article has now been out for four hours or so, and it's been close to 24 hours since I originally asked them.

Apple RARELY responds to press inquiries and the only time it has reliably spoken to the press was during the recent encryption battle and that's because it desperately needed the public to understand its argument.

I understand what you're getting at, but Apple loses nothing by having the original story misreported—it ends up looking really good. Apple just straight up ignores reporters, all the time.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by afarrell » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:15 PM UTC

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

Information wants to be free, so it isn't worth paying journalists for the time to do this.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by TorKlingberg » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:16 PM UTC

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

Unfortunately it is very difficult to know which blogs have good journalism. Social media aggregators tried to collect the best from around the internet, but ended up even more sensationalist and biased than traditional media.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by heartbreak » Wed, Apr 20, 2016, 8:17 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #28

c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

I think you're being too extreme. Bloomberg, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, and to a lesser extent the NY Times are all still reputable, even if they all still produce occasional junk. I don't believe there is a single reputable news source on earth, if the qualification is never producing junk articles.

The Washington Post was the paper that investigated and then wrote an article explaining that Bernie Sander's average campaign contribution is not actually the famous "Twenty-seven dollars", but in fact $27.88.