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Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by sytse »

kawsper wrote: post #58
sytse wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BuildKit looks nice and their documentation is really nicely structured. Is there anything they have that you're missing in GitLab?

BuildKite is really nice, they also support pipelining and are acting as glue between CI and Github. I can't answer your question about GitLab since I haven't used your product. A plus for us was also that they are willing to support Gogs if we need it.

Thanks for your response. We already have stages (pipelines) as part of the .gitlab-ci.yml definition http://doc.gitlab.com/ee/ci/yaml/README.html#stages

In the upcoming release (this Friday is the 22nd!) we'll likely ship a pipeline view in the UI https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/3743

GitLab CI is part of GitLab itself and won't support other systems. If you want you can mirror repositories on GitLab EE/.com with http://doc.gitlab.com/ee/workflow/repository_mirroring.html

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by sytse »

deckar01 wrote: post #81

Install `gitlab-ci-multi-runner` on your existing droplet and enjoy (relatively) free CI with high priority. GitLab already made it incredibly simple to setup.

Thanks! If people are looking for the docs please see https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ci-multi-runner#install...

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by shade23 »

Speaking on a more meta level here,this is an interesting phase of Product offerings.

We have a single giant whose products are used by the masses(Google/Uber/Github-in this sense) which had customer-focussed /domain-oriented paths but seem to have lost it midway, and then we have smaller/modular companies who are more focused to the domain improvement in itself (DDG,Lyft,Gitlab) who partner up with other specialised companies(Yandex/Didi Kaudi/DO) to remain customer-focussed /domain-oriented.

In the meantime the consumers get to choose between what the world chose and what could be a more sensible decision.

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by kuschku »

caseysoftware wrote: post #92
kuschku wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got the mail in early april, and it, in fact, even violates German law (promotional coupons and promotional credit, if not otherwise specified, is valid for 3 years, and can not be revoked via ToS changes). But I do not wish to sue, as it would just cause me a lot of trouble, and I’d rather spend the money on a hoster I can actually trust. Instead of a hoster violating laws and frauding customers out of their legal…

In most cases, you don't have to sue or even threaten to sue. Drop them an email pointing out that they're not complying with the law and ask for your expiration to be extended to the right date. Odds are customer support will do a quick googling, say "oh crap" and then update the expiration accordingly with a polite sorry note.

I tried, they told me I’d have to sue, as they couldn’t easily determine if the law would apply to them just by Googling.

Worst of all, I had to pay 5€ actual money to activate the 100€ of promotional credit.

I made a purchase, which contained at the moment that I'd get 100€ of promotional credit for an unspecified time (therefore 3 years), and instead I wasted 5€ on nothing.

EDIT: I should probably just to a chargeback via PayPal.

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by onli »

kuschku wrote: post #89
hrrsn wrote: post #83

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DO are not bound by German laws.

They have data centers in Germany, ran ads in Germany, did business with German banks, and so on. Yes, I’m pretty sure if they interact with a German customer, they are bound by German laws. Would be a shame if their data centers were seized if they wouldn’t comply... (I’m not sure if German courts use this technique, but it’s commonly used by US courts to force German companies to adhere to US laws, like in the many…

> Would be a shame if their data centers were seized if they wouldn’t comply...

> (I’m not sure if German courts use this technique, but it’s commonly used by US courts to force German companies to adhere to US laws, like in the many "Germans can’t sell Cuban cigarettes to Danes in Germany due to US embargo of Cuba" cases, so precedent exists.)

Could happen, but not easily. If they got sued, lost and had to pay, ignored that as well, then a gerichtsvollzieher would try to force giving over existing assets. In the most extreme cases that would include a data center, it happened for example that they tired to size an airplane when an airline did not pay a (comparably small) fee.

Of course it won't happen as no one will sue (I could've, but had way too small an amount in credits and asked for a prolongation of the deadline instead), and I'm sure DO would react in such a case.

Still: To have promotional credits run out after some time is not customer friendly, and this discussion shows that the dollars they save pales in comparison to the amount of goodwill and thus business they lose. I told them so.

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by tomstockmail »

detaro wrote: post #72
BoppreH wrote: post #59

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Two years ago the GitHub Student Developer Pack gave me $100, which I have been using to maintain a tiny droplet (literally changed my life, thank you). Last month Digital Ocean sent me this message: We’re truly sorry if this came as a surprise. As of March 2015, we revised our Terms of Service announcing that we’re no longer able to offer credits that do not expire, and any unused credit added to your account more t…

If people are looking for a way to use up credit and want to support something useful, run an Archiveteam Warrior. Helps to archive (soon-to-be) dead websites and and isn't too resource-intensive on the provider. http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Warrior

What does archiveteam do differently than The Internet Archive? It wasn't clear to me reading their about page, as well as some odd main projects with IRC channels being a main goal.

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by kuschku »

onli wrote: post #125
kuschku wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have data centers in Germany, ran ads in Germany, did business with German banks, and so on. Yes, I’m pretty sure if they interact with a German customer, they are bound by German laws. Would be a shame if their data centers were seized if they wouldn’t comply... (I’m not sure if German courts use this technique, but it’s commonly used by US courts to force German companies to adhere to US laws, like in the many…

> Would be a shame if their data centers were seized if they wouldn’t comply... > (I’m not sure if German courts use this technique, but it’s commonly used by US courts to force German companies to adhere to US laws, like in the many "Germans can’t sell Cuban cigarettes to Danes in Germany due to US embargo of Cuba" cases, so precedent exists.) Could happen, but not easily. If they got sued, lost and had to pay, igno…

I won't sue either, but as I had to pay actual money to be able to use the promotional key — and now lost the ability to use it — I'll do a chargeback via PayPal.

I thought about going to the Verbraucherzentrale, I mean, it's their job to do this.

Prolongation of the deadline wouldn't help me much either, though, because I'd need at least half a year — which they definitely won't give me, I've already asked.

And I was actually planning to switch a new hoster with my servers this month. Won't be DO now.

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by onli »

kuschku wrote: post #127
onli wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would be a shame if their data centers were seized if they wouldn’t comply... > (I’m not sure if German courts use this technique, but it’s commonly used by US courts to force German companies to adhere to US laws, like in the many "Germans can’t sell Cuban cigarettes to Danes in Germany due to US embargo of Cuba" cases, so precedent exists.) Could happen, but not easily. If they got sued, lost and had to pay, igno…

I won't sue either, but as I had to pay actual money to be able to use the promotional key — and now lost the ability to use it — I'll do a chargeback via PayPal. I thought about going to the Verbraucherzentrale, I mean, it's their job to do this. Prolongation of the deadline wouldn't help me much either, though, because I'd need at least half a year — which they definitely won't give me, I've already asked. And I wa…

> Prolongation of the deadline wouldn't help me much either, though, because I'd need at least half a year — which they definitely won't give me, I've already asked.

For what it's worth, they gave me a year.

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by kuschku »

onli wrote: post #128
kuschku wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't sue either, but as I had to pay actual money to be able to use the promotional key — and now lost the ability to use it — I'll do a chargeback via PayPal. I thought about going to the Verbraucherzentrale, I mean, it's their job to do this. Prolongation of the deadline wouldn't help me much either, though, because I'd need at least half a year — which they definitely won't give me, I've already asked. And I wa…

> Prolongation of the deadline wouldn't help me much either, though, because I'd need at least half a year — which they definitely won't give me, I've already asked. For what it's worth, they gave me a year.

I am now going through PayPal’s resolution center, asking for the 2 extra years I was promised, or a refund.

(As I don’t have a credit card I had to pay the 5€ activation fee through PayPal)

EDIT: I also sent a message to GitHub’s student contact mail, warning them that they might be on the hook for promising free $100 DO credit for unlimited time, and they might want to ask DO to fix it, or change their advertisement.

Re: GitLab Partners with DigitalOcean to make CI more affordable

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Post by detaro »

tomstockmail wrote: post #126
detaro wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people are looking for a way to use up credit and want to support something useful, run an Archiveteam Warrior. Helps to archive (soon-to-be) dead websites and and isn't too resource-intensive on the provider. http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Warrior

What does archiveteam do differently than The Internet Archive? It wasn't clear to me reading their about page, as well as some odd main projects with IRC channels being a main goal.

They try to do complete crawls of sites (mostly of user-generated content) that are known to go offline soon or at high risk of doing so, vs the Internet Archive crawler which as far as I know crawls everything every now and then.

If a siteowner is willing to hand over a data export to archive.org or another archival site they don't have to do that, but not many do.

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