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Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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So Intel is cutting 11% of its workforce, Goldman Sachs just reported a 56% drop in profits, Morgan Stanley had a 50% drop in profits, Netflix missed subscriber growth estimates etc... yet, the Dow just hit a 9-Month high, and the S&P500 is now above 2100. The whole market is overvalued, not just the tech unicorns.

I don't see why job losses are a bad thing. The last generation of machines was built so well that people don't need new ones. Good! This should be a great thing. Valuing growth over sustainability makes these backwards ass goals of hiring more, building more and growing. The way this is spun is pretty horrible. Amazon and Wal-mart losing is a good thing for the environment and society as a whole. You yell, "But peop…

While that might be a nice long term view, it isn't fun to go through the entire process for the average person, heck it's not even pleasant for many of the "1%ers".

If a lot of companies suddenly go bust that are today supposedly getting in the way of innovation, it might be good for long term innovation, but in the short term, say 10-15 years it can really be hell. Not to mention that in this 10-15 year period while the economy is hemorrhaging it makes the entire economic ecosystem very vulnerable, and significantly reduces its capacity to deal with external attacks.

That is while US companies may start failing, who's to say that a foreign company won't take its place. Then you have to start taking isolationistic measures, which is a whole other mess.

The ideal scenario would be to see these companies slowly, over a period of decades fade out, and be replaced by others, which I honestly don't see happening as of yet in SV, but things like this generally do come out of the left field.

So if we see these companies shrink rapidly, with no one else to take the mantle, I honestly think it would be a dangerous situation as it can be a catalyst for something bigger.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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So Intel is cutting 11% of its workforce, Goldman Sachs just reported a 56% drop in profits, Morgan Stanley had a 50% drop in profits, Netflix missed subscriber growth estimates etc... yet, the Dow just hit a 9-Month high, and the S&P500 is now above 2100. The whole market is overvalued, not just the tech unicorns.

How can the whole market be overvalued? Prices are relative, no?

This is effectively a claim that the dollar is being undervalued.

Quite a few people would disagree.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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I started investing my retirement money recently. Thats about a good of a signal as any that its going to plummet.

Ah yes, the old maerF0x0 indicator. Beloved in some technical analysis circles

I've heard it many times in the back-rooms: "Wherever maerF0x0 goes, don't."

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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The stimuls mode is a permanent regime now. It's good in the short term, but I do not know if anybody understood mid- and long-term consequences of this new permanent mode.

"The stimulus mode is a permanent regime now" As a general FYI to those reading -- please fact check before commenting. The Federal Reserve's quantitative easing program ended on Oct 29th, 2014 (538 days ago!) It is difficult to assert that a program which ended over 500 days ago is permanent. Additionally, one may be willing to assert that "ZIRP is permanent regime now" too, to tack onto the culture that central ban…

Its not because interest rate is just slightly above zero that its not cheap anymore.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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How much of your time is now on a mobile that used to be on a desktop? Their core business is drying up.

Less than 5%. My phone stays in my pocket most of the time, even when I'm nowhere near any other device, and everyone else around me is heads down in theirs.

I pull out my phone to get my 2FA number every now and then :D

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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post #39

So Intel is cutting 11% of its workforce, Goldman Sachs just reported a 56% drop in profits, Morgan Stanley had a 50% drop in profits, Netflix missed subscriber growth estimates etc... yet, the Dow just hit a 9-Month high, and the S&P500 is now above 2100. The whole market is overvalued, not just the tech unicorns.

hard to understand the market.
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