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Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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So basically what you want is Signal then: iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/signal-private-messenger/id8... Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcri... [Blatant plug] If you want more info on managing digital/physical security threats, check out an open source free app we just launched called Umbrella: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secfirst.u...

If Signal was available on F-droid and didn't depend on Play Services and Chrome (for Desktop) I'd be happier. In my opinion Open Whisper Systems sacrificed the power users to be a safe messenger for the masses when they could've pleased the power users, who are key to driving mass adoption, too.

> power users, who are key to driving mass adoption

citation needed, might happen sometimes but definitely not a rule...

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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There are other browsers than Chrome and Chromium, you know.

I think you missed the point. Use another browser by all means, I do. Chrome or Chromium is required to run the Signal desktop client.

No, you missed the point. They don't want Chrome, and if their aversion could be solved with small tweaks to the branding they'd have probably just gotten over it.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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If they have $1M to invest, why don't they focus on securing their protocol (i.e. switching to authenticated encryption) and turning encryption on by default? See http://cs.au.dk/~jakjak/master-thesis.pdf for more on why Telegram isn't secure and you shouldn't trust it (as it is today) for anything requiring privacy.

I'm not up to date, but didn't Telegram had a bounty for someone who could read a conversation even by knowing the phone numbers involved? If so, why the writer here didn't got the bounty?

I don't know specifically, but perhaps this commentary will be enlightening.

https://moxie.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/

https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/1998/1215.html...

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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> (...) not Signal's weird "link your phone up to your MacBook" solution What are the properties of this solution that you dislike?

I may be wrong but doesn't this solution also require an Android device?

I believe compatibility with the iOS client is being worked on

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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If Signal was available on F-droid and didn't depend on Play Services and Chrome (for Desktop) I'd be happier. In my opinion Open Whisper Systems sacrificed the power users to be a safe messenger for the masses when they could've pleased the power users, who are key to driving mass adoption, too.

> power users, who are key to driving mass adoption citation needed, might happen sometimes but definitely not a rule...

Sounds a bit like PGP, where the power users failed to drive mass adoption for decades now...

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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So basically what you want is Signal then: iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/signal-private-messenger/id8... Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcri... [Blatant plug] If you want more info on managing digital/physical security threats, check out an open source free app we just launched called Umbrella: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secfirst.u...

If Signal was available on F-droid and didn't depend on Play Services and Chrome (for Desktop) I'd be happier. In my opinion Open Whisper Systems sacrificed the power users to be a safe messenger for the masses when they could've pleased the power users, who are key to driving mass adoption, too.

You make it sound as if people who do not want to use Play Services are the only power users. That is simply false, many power users don't care about using Play Services.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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You're missing that the founder also founded VK and thus has a net worth of $260 million (according to Wikipedia)

What is the relevance of VK's net worth to Telegram's decision?

Because it's Pavel Durov's money that's paying for this.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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Underneath the original "wow factor", I think bots have a glaring UX problem. Developers just haven't figured out the real use-case for bots. In some ways, I think this current bot-craze is very similar to what happened with smartwatches 2 years ago. Simply cramming a phone app into a watch doesn't make it magically awesome or useful. I think a lot of developers seem to be taking the same approach with bots. They are…

I developed a game solely as a Telegram bot: https://storebot.me/bot/mrw_bot I think that this is a better platform than mobile as it supports multiple devices, user accounts are already setup, it's easy to test and it has built in notifications. One thing I did have an issue with, is showcasing what it's features were. One option is to create a lot of videos and screenshots which would take a lot of time. As further…

Nice! Yeah I think it has potential for specific kinds of applications. Text-based games are a definite yes. I couldn't agree more with your point about user education. I know a lot of friends who don't even know all the amazing things Google Now can do just because there is not interface to explain all the features. Siri has a "what can you do?" feature but even then, it's very limited. It will be interesting to see what developers and UX professionals do to improve the state of bots.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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If they have $1M to invest, why don't they focus on securing their protocol (i.e. switching to authenticated encryption) and turning encryption on by default? See http://cs.au.dk/~jakjak/master-thesis.pdf for more on why Telegram isn't secure and you shouldn't trust it (as it is today) for anything requiring privacy.

I'm not up to date, but didn't Telegram had a bounty for someone who could read a conversation even by knowing the phone numbers involved? If so, why the writer here didn't got the bounty?

http://www.cryptofails.com/post/70546720222/telegrams-crypta...

Because their contest is a dumb gimmick that doesn't encompass chosen-ciphertext attacks.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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An investment is an expenditure of money. What part of money set aside for expansion will not go to an expense? Where does it go?

How I'm understanding is that these things happen at different times. 1. Business operates for X days (1 quarter, 1 year, whatever) 2. Business calculates it's profit (revenue - expenses) 3. Business now has a choice on what to do with it's profit. At t = 3, the profit is not an expense, though it will ultimately be used to benefit the company/cause (if it's a nonprofit). nonprofit organizations must decide what to d…

A nonprofit with profit is a contradiction. I get that some may perform calculations with labels called profit, but that contradicts the underlying thesis of the organization (as you've admitted).
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