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Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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So basically what you want is Signal then: iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/signal-private-messenger/id8... Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcri... [Blatant plug] If you want more info on managing digital/physical security threats, check out an open source free app we just launched called Umbrella: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secfirst.u...

I figured someone would say that. I want actual cross-device, not Signal's weird "link your phone up to your MacBook" solution. So not Signal as it presently stands. Also (last time I checked; maybe it has improved) Signal's support for inline media within conversations was light years behind Telegram. Don't get me wrong, I applaud Signal's focus on security, but its usability simply isn't there yet.

I find signal really very usable. Huge doubts over telegram's security - it isn't there yet and doesn't sound like they even want it to be. Telegram seems like noise if security is interesting to you.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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> (...) not Signal's weird "link your phone up to your MacBook" solution What are the properties of this solution that you dislike?

My main criticism is that it requires Chrome, which I don't want.

So use chromium? Or have your messages stored by a third party in clear text - which seems like a far worse option than having a browser you don't otherwise have to use at all, installed.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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My main criticism is that it requires Chrome, which I don't want.

So use chromium? Or have your messages stored by a third party in clear text - which seems like a far worse option than having a browser you don't otherwise have to use at all, installed.

There are other browsers than Chrome and Chromium, you know.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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Telegram user here. I'm not anti-bot but puh-lease, spend this money on audited open-source crypto and secret-by-default chats rather than gimmicks like 'stickers' (yuk) and rewards for promising bots. I want a messaging app that's simple, secure, open and cross-device. Not one that's splurging on daft bloatware features while the key issues go unaddressed. [edit] to clarify the term 'cross-device' - I mean I want to…

So basically what you want is Signal then: iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/signal-private-messenger/id8... Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcri... [Blatant plug] If you want more info on managing digital/physical security threats, check out an open source free app we just launched called Umbrella: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secfirst.u...

If Signal was available on F-droid and didn't depend on Play Services and Chrome (for Desktop) I'd be happier.

In my opinion Open Whisper Systems sacrificed the power users to be a safe messenger for the masses when they could've pleased the power users, who are key to driving mass adoption, too.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured someone would say that. I want actual cross-device, not Signal's weird "link your phone up to your MacBook" solution. So not Signal as it presently stands. Also (last time I checked; maybe it has improved) Signal's support for inline media within conversations was light years behind Telegram. Don't get me wrong, I applaud Signal's focus on security, but its usability simply isn't there yet.

I can't reply to the post underneath yours but I very much agree with you and for me the reason I don't want the "link your phone to your macbook" solution is because my phone and it's number are very much not going to be permanent. I do however have an email address I intend to use for a very long time. I was actually looking for a chat solution earlier today and neither telegram nor signal fit the bill for these ve…

Why aren't you using Wire (https://www.wire.com)? It is cross platform, end to end secure w/ open source audited crypto, focuses on app usability, and doesn't need a phone number to sign up.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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post #56

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I can't reply to the post underneath yours but I very much agree with you and for me the reason I don't want the "link your phone to your macbook" solution is because my phone and it's number are very much not going to be permanent. I do however have an email address I intend to use for a very long time. I was actually looking for a chat solution earlier today and neither telegram nor signal fit the bill for these ve…

Why aren't you using Wire ( https://www.wire.com )? It is cross platform, end to end secure w/ open source audited crypto, focuses on app usability, and doesn't need a phone number to sign up.

Trust issues with the founders (Skype hardly had a great privacy record); inability to build own APK (because only the crypto is open source) means you can't be sure the code on GitHub is what you're really running.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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So many negative comments, would like to see what happens if exact same title would be with Facebook, considering their scale lets say 'Facebook: $10Mln to Bot Developers. For free.'.

Do not forget, they may have some issues with security or user growth, but founder generally tries to promote his own product, everyone will behave like he does (promote in product in any legal way), when they have enough resources.

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically what you want is Signal then: iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/signal-private-messenger/id8... Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcri... [Blatant plug] If you want more info on managing digital/physical security threats, check out an open source free app we just launched called Umbrella: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secfirst.u...

If Signal was available on F-droid and didn't depend on Play Services and Chrome (for Desktop) I'd be happier. In my opinion Open Whisper Systems sacrificed the power users to be a safe messenger for the masses when they could've pleased the power users, who are key to driving mass adoption, too.

Add this as fdroid repo: https://eutopia.cz/fdroid/repo and search for libresignal app

Re: Telegram to award grants to bot developers

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post #27

Telegram user here. I'm not anti-bot but puh-lease, spend this money on audited open-source crypto and secret-by-default chats rather than gimmicks like 'stickers' (yuk) and rewards for promising bots. I want a messaging app that's simple, secure, open and cross-device. Not one that's splurging on daft bloatware features while the key issues go unaddressed. [edit] to clarify the term 'cross-device' - I mean I want to…

Don't discount stickers. Telegram's sticker support (and its ease of creating your own sticker sets) is one of the reasons I and a lot of my friends have moved to it for most of our messaging lately. I personally went crazy and did a set of like 50 stickers with one of my own characters, which can add a ton of whimsey to my casual conversations.

That, and the integrated gifbot. My teenage sister went crazy when I showed her how to search for stickers.
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