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For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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My first reaction: Oh boy, apparently far too many people take the dating advice of phyiscs "god" Richard Feynman far too seriously and don't seem to be able to accept if this doesn't produce the stellar results he predicts in his book.

Also a good read on this: http://mathematigal.com/home/2014/7/14/feynman-is-not-my-her...

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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A shirt that depicts women as objects or objectized women is just plain wrong. I do not care about the celebration.

It's art. The shirt was also made by a woman, for what it's worth.

Nude paintings are also art, but if you hang a couple in your office, you'll have a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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In a forum dominated by men, under-socialized men because they have few female co workers, there is a lack of understanding and sympathy for anything less than groping. Last time I was on here, HN users defended their right to make dick jokes in the work place.

Well, it is personal experience but the most sexual jokes I've heard in person in the workplace came from women. And I found them rather funny. But to each their own I guess.

Women aren't excluded. And environments with no women in them aren't excluded either. An employer can be held liable if they don't take action to prevent an environment where employees are getting offended all the time. So a single joke probably isn't a legal issue, but a workplace that is "intimidating, hostile, or offensive" can get you sued. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_work_environment

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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It sounds terrible. And yet working in he unrelated field of IT I haven't seen it. I have seen a bunch of assholes in high positions though and have to put up with their idiotic demands and abuse. So when I read these articles I wonder if it's the same people and how they translate treating male workers like garbage into treating female workers like garbage. It's not misogyny; it's welcome to the workforce and dealin…

Yes. People exist who may seem like really great bosses and nice people but are also aggressive and entitled with their female coworkers. It is important not to think of sexual harassment as only the skeevy creep who purposely takes advantage of women he has power over (although these people definitely exist too). Women have a right to work without being sexualized at all. Many times it is well meaning, otherwise goo…

Yet something like 30% of office workers have had office romances. Are you going to tell all of those people they should not have flirted?

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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It sounds terrible. And yet working in he unrelated field of IT I haven't seen it. I have seen a bunch of assholes in high positions though and have to put up with their idiotic demands and abuse. So when I read these articles I wonder if it's the same people and how they translate treating male workers like garbage into treating female workers like garbage. It's not misogyny; it's welcome to the workforce and dealin…

Yes there are people that act just fine to people they believe are capable or otherwise worthy who are total assholes to those they deem unworthy of their time/effort/care. Yes sexism really exists and that line of worthiness/unworthiness may be drawn at your genitals.

In many cases this is not pure sexism. Often people have a few 'exceptions' for some highly competent people.

In many cases it's closer to hazing where people can be incredibly nasty to people they think are acceptable targets. And then after a transition treat as part of their inner circle.

Not that I think either are acceptable, but it's important to try and understand behaviors you want to change.

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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These harassment cases are so mysterious to me. What kind of men think this sort of behavior is ok? I mean, I would like to help somehow, but I don't know anyone like that.

The kind of men that have gotten away with it for years and even then kept their jobs (unlike the women they targetted)?

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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A shirt that depicts women as objects or objectized women is just plain wrong. I do not care about the celebration.

Objectification doesn't really apply to a still image. The whole trope was initially about women in media being the object of the male character's conquest. Essentially the women were turned into nothing more than props. A t-shirt depicting scantily clad women may be in poor taste and likely isn't professional, but doesn't really contribute to the objectification of women. Women are allowed to be sexualised (just as…

The view that you, as an individual, bring to the world, is exactly what makes the world the way it is. That's why a shirt is a reflection of a reality. Now it is a shirt, tomorrow it is a perfume advertising image. The next day it is a man who thinks that the woman he is married to is his belonging.

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a forum dominated by men, under-socialized men because they have few female co workers, there is a lack of understanding and sympathy for anything less than groping. Last time I was on here, HN users defended their right to make dick jokes in the work place.

Dick jokes in the workplace are ok. Serious question, why wouldn't they be?

So long as the joke isn't putting down someone (could be bullying), any joke is ok IMO.

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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What's the legal jurisdiction of the ISS? Is it split by country of origin of the separate modules? On a more comical note, I wonder if "worldwide copyright" applies after escaping the worlds atmosphere...

I think you've confused astronomers and astronauts?

Oh duh ... My mistake for writing as I think rather than after!
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