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Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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post #13

I'm curious now what stops people from using Linux on the desktop. There were significant issues a few years ago, but they now appear to be addressed. What are the problems with Linux on the desktop?

Can't believe someone hasn't written this already: fonts. I've used Debian and Arch and had massive trouble a) figuring out what fonts are installed, b) how to install new fonts, c) getting them to not look like absolute shit. Example case: trying to use Adobe's "Source Code Pro" font with Debian's default terminal, at around 12-14px, on a 2560x1440 screen. I could get it to look good at 10px, and at 18px, but nowher…

Font is actually pretty much straight forward nowadays with most distros. You just need to enable lcd rgb subpixel rendering and thats it.

I use the Croscore set of fonts, the ones based on the Arial/Times/Courier that Google uses on the Chromebook and for me, it looks even better than on Windows or OSX.

This is my config: https://github.com/edgard/dotfiles/blob/master/config/fontco...

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#32

"The name “MATE”, pronounced Ma-Tay, comes from yerba maté, a species of holly native to subtropical South America. Its leaves contain caffeine and are used to make infusions and a beverage called mate." Neat! And here I've been pronouncing it like the English word "mate".

I'm from South America and I didn't know this either, and I also pronounced like English word "mate", lol

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#33
I wish they had kept the GNOME application names (Nautilus, File-roller, ...) that I am familiar with instead of renaming them. Sure, they are forks, but spiritually similar. Perhaps "MATE Nautilus," etc., would have been fine.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#34
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets see. Sound - it comes out of a random port sometimes with a sound source that dynamically appears (at a default of MAX volume in the mixer) that by the time you open the mixer app to turn it down is gone. Multiple screens - multiple hells. So what happens when you go to sleep? Screens can swap, sometimes they change relative position, sometimes they simply become inaccessible. Multiple screens with multiple desk…

Why can't you mount NFS shares over a statically configured ethernet port? And what do you mean by "it must be your primary port"? All of your other points sound reasonable and likely, but I'm curious what you meant by this one

I've got a hard wired IoT type network in my lab and a spare network port on my desktop is connected to it for debugging/testing. So in network/interfaces that port is 'iface eth1 inet static' versus 'auto eth0' for the port that connects to the house LAN. During boot, eth1 gets its IP address right away (it's static) and so all the mounts for NFS systems try to use it as the only connected network. Eventually the eth0 network is up but not after whining about booting in "restricted" mode.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#35
post #16

The last time I tried it, with Ubuntu Mate, I percieved it had more bugs than Xubuntu. Xubuntu comes with xfce. I find that xfce looks very similar to mate but runs more smoothly and it feels more polished. At least I don't remember seeing errors related to the UI with xfce, unlike the experience with mate.

IMO, MATE on Linux Mint has been wonderful for the last year or so.

Would recommend for desktop.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#36
post #17

I'm curious now what stops people from using Linux on the desktop. There were significant issues a few years ago, but they now appear to be addressed. What are the problems with Linux on the desktop?

These Linux desktops are still not nearly as clean, pretty and smooth an experience as Mac/Windows.

Sorry, but at best, this is just your personal experience. At worst, this is a damned lie. I don't mean to attack you, but I do mean to vehemently attack this sentiment. I feel I have to because this perspective is pushed so often with little push back from the other side...and believing it lead to my own personal detriment.

I recently bought a macbook after being a gnome 3 user for a few years. I had heard the anecodotes: many linux users, even some high profile ones like Miguel deGuza, had switched to mac, claiming that it was unix but with a better user experience, without the mess...cleaner, put together, smoother, etc, etc.

What a lie. Yes, some things are as smooth as they were on gnome 3, but the differences are to be very honest, not that significant. Gnome 3's window management, short cuts, everything was orders of magnitude better than mac os x. An interesting comparison, I've been using mac os x for 8 months, and it still feels like a kludge, I've adapted to it, rather than embracing it. For Gnome 3, I adapted to it within 2 months, and after that, I could use nothing else because of how fluid it is. Finally, workspaces on gnome 3 make me feel organized. On this macbook? My windows feels like a constant mess, and I still haven't figured it out. Again, it's not familiarity! Gnome 3 was weird at first but I fell in love after the initial hurdle. For this thing, if this is an initial hurdle, I still haven't found the valley after almost a year!

Oh, and the "it's unix", what a lie! I don't care if it's "unix(tm)", either I am so steeped in gnu-isms that I can't live without them, or the commandline on mac is so inferior it's not even funny. So yes, those "linux users" will tell you it's still unix, they won't tell you can't run gdb without signing it[0], they won't tell you that half of the super easy commands you find online will not be available because either the available versions are so old or they are bsd stuff. I was once open minded to using bsd but after having to suffer on apple garbage for a year I think I'll avoid BSD for the most part. Moreover, brew sucks, so bad. "Package management" (ie., dealing with conflicts between brew and the defaults that you'll sometimes have to fix manually) is just like the gui, pretty on the surface, but tending toward mess when you need control.

It was such a falsehood, to the point I either feel whoever bewitched me into thinking mac would be a "prettier" linux were either not the type of people I should have been listening to either way, or they were deliberately shills or something. Of course the latter is ridiculous, so I'll go with the well known maxim here[1] and pick the former.

Mac does one thing well, typefaces, although that's probably just the retina screen.

[0] http://andresabino.com/2015/04/14/codesign-gdb-on-mac-os-x-y... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#37

"The name “MATE”, pronounced Ma-Tay, comes from yerba maté, a species of holly native to subtropical South America. Its leaves contain caffeine and are used to make infusions and a beverage called mate." Neat! And here I've been pronouncing it like the English word "mate".

The beverage, when consumed hot, is also classified as a probable carcinogen: http://www.inchem.org/documents/iarc/vol51/03-mate.html

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#38
post #9

I'm curious now what stops people from using Linux on the desktop. There were significant issues a few years ago, but they now appear to be addressed. What are the problems with Linux on the desktop?

lacking hardware support for new graphic cards and some weird wireless cards printing is incredibly broken and sometimes cumbersome some games and applications (photoshop, et cetera) people care for don't run or only with some work involved it does not come pre-installed with computers people buy not sure about power efficiency (power drain optimizations for notebooks and the like), but last I checked it's less effic…

How is linux a server os and not for the desktop?

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#39
post #12
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome changed some things with Gnome 3.x (which was not recently) and some people were dissatisfied with it, so they forked Gnome 2.x, created the Mate Desktop Environment and that's it. Nothing happened to Gnome, it's alive and kicking.

If I'm not mistaken, MATE is far away from being the only fork of the 2.x version.

If you're referring to Cinnamon, that's actually a fork of Gnome 3.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

#40
post #13

I'm curious now what stops people from using Linux on the desktop. There were significant issues a few years ago, but they now appear to be addressed. What are the problems with Linux on the desktop?

Can't believe someone hasn't written this already: fonts. I've used Debian and Arch and had massive trouble a) figuring out what fonts are installed, b) how to install new fonts, c) getting them to not look like absolute shit. Example case: trying to use Adobe's "Source Code Pro" font with Debian's default terminal, at around 12-14px, on a 2560x1440 screen. I could get it to look good at 10px, and at 18px, but nowher…

FreeType just did some massive improvements to font rendering. It's available now in the Fedora 24 alpha, and its gorgeous.
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