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He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have one-kilo as being 35.27-ounces - and an ounce of gold costing roughly $1000 USD. If true, 30 million worth of gold in one-kilo bars would be 850 bars; meaning a lot appear to be missing. Also, 342 one-kilo bars at $1000 USD an once appears to be worth $1.2 million, not $2 million. Possible math/logic is flawed, or I'm missing something, but often found people say numbers that if hashed out don't add up.

Could be 342 bars of different weights... you can buy a 1 gram bar for example... possibly can buy bars of >1kg too. I know I would do it this way to make later trading easier.

It "could" be a sign of factually conflicts, a lack of fact checking, etc.

Just pointing it out, maybe the author will add some clarification; since I assume the did fact checking based on their mentioning that the did on sources, evidence, etc.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Among the most closely-guarded troves of knowledge in the world are those pertaining to organized crime. This stuff is so dramatic and interesting because it is sort of "forbidden knowledge". I have high hopes for Quora (one of the YC portfolio companies) because they are trying to make accessible this sort of locked-up knowledge.

The Q/A website that aggravates me the most by locking up knowledge is a YC company? Oh jeez... Well, I'll just avoid that topic when it comes up here. :) EDIT: Forgot to say I agree with you on the forbidden knowledge in organized crime being interesting. I've seen some myself and it's wild stuff. Atavist needs to do one on Berlusconi in Italy. ;)

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Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Halfway to the airport, however, Le Roux switched tactics, said Stouch. “He just essentially said he was no longer going to resist and that he would cooperate with our commands.” According to the DEA, Le Roux waived his Miranda rights somewhere over the Atlantic and agreed to tell them everything he knew. What miraculous luck that such a thing would happen, purely of his own free will.

Pretty interesting interpretation of free will - and for that matter, luck.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Another great, fun write-up by Ratliff. I'm surprised by by a number of things which I'll comment on in a disorganized way. :) One is how often Israeli commandos turn up in these organizations. In parallel, there's their well-known effectiveness plus the risk of Mossad connections that can burn you. Mexican cartels, Colombian, Paul Le Roux... they all buy them up. Cheap, too. I'd like to hear their logic on that. Tha…

I dunno. My personal opinion is that humans to some extent are innately good, and that it's the broken ones who turn to crime. Furthermore it's the EXTREMELY broken ones that become the crime lords etc. and those people often have massive flaws in their character such as the arrogance you described. Basically I don't think he could've ever accomplished what he did if he wasn't arrogant and wreckless to his core.

> ...it's the broken ones who turn to crime.

If law were derived from universal morals (heh...) then that might be accurate. But due to the relatively arbitrariness of whether or not someone is a criminal, especially with respect to the great variety of countries in which virtually all of HN would be criminals for freely speaking about various topics, I think it's a bit presumption and mean to call those who "turn to" crime as broken.

Additionally, I would posit that many criminals are not "turning to" crime so much as not "turning away." By that, I mean that crime is not sought out, but rather the criminality of their actions is ignored, much like I presume the mindset is of the majority of jaywalkers.

> Furthermore it's the EXTREMELY broken ones that become the crime lords etc. and those people often have massive flaws in their character such as the arrogance you described.

Once again, I take issue with the use of broken to describe someone's actions simply on the basis that a group of people disagree with them. "Extremely broken" implies some serious psychological issues, which are not at all requisite for running an illegal enterprise. I would posit that many of the people involved in controlling bootleg DVD sales or knockoff brand name goods are in fact very normal and psychologically uninteresting.

I do agree with the assumption of arrogance, as much like politicians, the drive to control on a grand scale typically requires a decent amount of ego, it's incredibly difficult for an individual to exert control of an empire with humility, although I think it's possible, it's just very unlikely outside of a very peaceful organization, which his was most certainly not. Violent groups of people are difficult to control in a non-Machiavellian manner (I would think impossible, but I haven't given it much thought) and I sincerely disbelieve one could rule in such a manner without a decent ego.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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In Hong Kong 1 kilo bars are very popular. From the article: acquired $30 million in one-kilogram gold bars from Metalor Technologies

I have one-kilo as being 35.27-ounces - and an ounce of gold costing roughly $1000 USD. If true, 30 million worth of gold in one-kilo bars would be 850 bars; meaning a lot appear to be missing. Also, 342 one-kilo bars at $1000 USD an once appears to be worth $1.2 million, not $2 million. Possible math/logic is flawed, or I'm missing something, but often found people say numbers that if hashed out don't add up.

Gold price is variable, it got very close to $2,000 an ounce in 2011.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Is it really a link-shortener or just atavist providing a short perma-link? 'atav.st' == atavist.com?

it doesn't make any difference, if you think about why hacker news bans link shorteners: there should be one, and ONLY one, canonical URL for every article. if you allow two or more, then there is essentially no way to detect duplicate submissions. so i can pretty much guarantee that it is just a matter of time until atav.st is banned here.

Agree about dups, but there's no reason why HN could not use bitly and open source some access to the analytics data.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Among the most closely-guarded troves of knowledge in the world are those pertaining to organized crime. This stuff is so dramatic and interesting because it is sort of "forbidden knowledge". I have high hopes for Quora (one of the YC portfolio companies) because they are trying to make accessible this sort of locked-up knowledge.

Where does Quora come into play?

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno. My personal opinion is that humans to some extent are innately good, and that it's the broken ones who turn to crime. Furthermore it's the EXTREMELY broken ones that become the crime lords etc. and those people often have massive flaws in their character such as the arrogance you described. Basically I don't think he could've ever accomplished what he did if he wasn't arrogant and wreckless to his core.

> ...it's the broken ones who turn to crime. If law were derived from universal morals (heh...) then that might be accurate. But due to the relatively arbitrariness of whether or not someone is a criminal, especially with respect to the great variety of countries in which virtually all of HN would be criminals for freely speaking about various topics, I think it's a bit presumption and mean to call those who "turn to…

Good points. I'll add that the majority of his funds came from illegal pharmacy that was selling drugs people could get from local doctors but might be turned down. To put that into perspective:

1. It's legal to get the drug if a single doctor agrees you need it, you can afford to pay them, and you can afford to pay for the drug.

2. It's illegal to get the drug if Le Roux's doctors do it with their methods at probably lower prices.

So, just being poor means you can't get medicine. That's illegal. But immoral? The law itself sounds immoral here. Further, the law relegates the decision to any human with authorization to prescribe drugs. That makes it quite arbitrary given their range of opinions and actions. So, there's no connection between the law and morality here except perhaps an immoral transfer of money from companies that benefit from the situation to middlemen that pass it to lawmakers. Sounds... like Le Roux's network a little bit, eh? ;)

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