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He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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post #9

Among the most closely-guarded troves of knowledge in the world are those pertaining to organized crime. This stuff is so dramatic and interesting because it is sort of "forbidden knowledge". I have high hopes for Quora (one of the YC portfolio companies) because they are trying to make accessible this sort of locked-up knowledge.

The Q/A website that aggravates me the most by locking up knowledge is a YC company? Oh jeez... Well, I'll just avoid that topic when it comes up here. :)

EDIT: Forgot to say I agree with you on the forbidden knowledge in organized crime being interesting. I've seen some myself and it's wild stuff. Atavist needs to do one on Berlusconi in Italy. ;)

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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post #9

Among the most closely-guarded troves of knowledge in the world are those pertaining to organized crime. This stuff is so dramatic and interesting because it is sort of "forbidden knowledge". I have high hopes for Quora (one of the YC portfolio companies) because they are trying to make accessible this sort of locked-up knowledge.

I mean, it served Experts Exchange so well. Just look at how popular that site is these days.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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> “He got greedy,” Jody continued. “He probably could have closed up shop in 2006 or 2007, been a rich millionaire, and never have been investigated at all.”

This does seem to be a common thread with highly skilled and intelligent criminals. Their pride convinces them they can keep going when the truth is it is time to pull the ripcord years before they got caught and walk away with all the wealth a person would ever need to live happily ever after.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Another great, fun write-up by Ratliff. I'm surprised by by a number of things which I'll comment on in a disorganized way. :) One is how often Israeli commandos turn up in these organizations. In parallel, there's their well-known effectiveness plus the risk of Mossad connections that can burn you. Mexican cartels, Colombian, Paul Le Roux... they all buy them up. Cheap, too. I'd like to hear their logic on that.

That he was still producing 200kilos out of thin air was interesting. Operations are still going somewhere with possibly millions moving. Either his that are still running autonomously or others with him just having 3rd parties that can pull a huge transaction at once.

His OPSEC sucks. I mean, I'm amazed that he didn't get caught earlier in some unrelated investigation using his real name and emails on all kinds of shady stuff. Many I know are too paranoid to do that thinking someone would connect dots. He did it and nobody connected dots until piles of high risk crimes added up with benefit of easy tracing. Even police said a little more obfuscation would've thrown them. This means we've overestimated the police's ability to connect dots on suspicious items. Just don't know how much.

Spamhaus says a quarter of stuff came from this company. I read much in INFOSEC but never heard them connect it to something like this. Another "under the radar" aspect that's amazing. Plus, owning a registrar for spam cover is excellent example of subversion at protocol level.

$200-400 million a year could buy tons of INFOSEC and OPSEC. He could've rebranded under a new company to move his name further from the transactions. He could've potentially paid his Israelis to straight up break in and steal/alter records. He could've dropped a few mil strategically in Brazil on key people to spot legal and financial risks along with strats people use to dodge or buy cops. Before he went there. Far as Liberian deal, he should've sent one of his well-paid, experienced people to negotiate that. At his level, he should never leave protection or associate himself with something that's tainted. And when busted, getting immunity to flip is a rational option in his situation but admitting to murders was just stupid.

How about "An arrogant way of living?" Haha.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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hacker news is not cool with link shorteners. most link shorteners (bit.ly, et al) are banned here. chances are good that the only reason this particular shortener isn't banned yet is because dang is not aware of it. should be replaced with this article's true url: https://mastermind.atavist.com/he-got-greedy

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Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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post #9

Among the most closely-guarded troves of knowledge in the world are those pertaining to organized crime. This stuff is so dramatic and interesting because it is sort of "forbidden knowledge". I have high hopes for Quora (one of the YC portfolio companies) because they are trying to make accessible this sort of locked-up knowledge.

I mean, it served Experts Exchange so well. Just look at how popular that site is these days.

Experts Exchange (or ExpertSexChange - poor URL choice) had their lunch eaten by Stack Overflow. I'd argue the login requirement wasn't as much of a problem as their payment requirement...

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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hacker news is not cool with link shorteners. most link shorteners (bit.ly, et al) are banned here. chances are good that the only reason this particular shortener isn't banned yet is because dang is not aware of it. should be replaced with this article's true url: https://mastermind.atavist.com/he-got-greedy

Here's a direct link to the bitly report for the link:

http://atav.st/1SNUadd+

^^ which redirects to:

https://bitly.com/1SNUadd+

(In case some don't know, just add "+" to the end of a bitly link to see the report.)

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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Another great, fun write-up by Ratliff. I'm surprised by by a number of things which I'll comment on in a disorganized way. :) One is how often Israeli commandos turn up in these organizations. In parallel, there's their well-known effectiveness plus the risk of Mossad connections that can burn you. Mexican cartels, Colombian, Paul Le Roux... they all buy them up. Cheap, too. I'd like to hear their logic on that. Tha…

> How about "An arrogant way of living?" Haha.

Yeah, it is amazing how much his arrogance and pride seemed to play into his behavior. He could have exited this whole situation in Brazil [Retiring] a wealthy man and would have been largely immune since they didn't have the ability to get their hands on him.

> His OPSEC sucks. I mean, I'm amazed that he didn't get caught earlier in some unrelated investigation using his real name and emails on all kinds of shady stuff. Many I know are too paranoid to do that thinking someone would connect dots. He did it and nobody connected dots until piles of high risk crimes added up with benefit of easy tracing. Even police said a little more obfuscation would've thrown them. This means we've overestimated the police's ability to connect dots on suspicious items. Just don't know how much.

I found that amazing as well but I think it has to do with the fact he was basically a black market profiteer dealing in low level stuff.

> Le Roux couldn’t have known that this new venture had made him a narco-terrorist in the eyes of the U.S. government. Until he had fled for Brazil, his case had been the province of the DOJ’s Consumer Protection Division, the federal prosecutors that handle pill-mill cases, and the Minnesota investigation team anchored by Kim Brill.

The Consumer Protection Division likely doesn't have the resources to break even a criminal with essentially no OPSEC based on this.

My guess is if he stayed out of hard drugs, arms, etc. he might have also stayed completely safe because it sounds like they simply couldn't handle him until it got kicked to the FBI/DEA/etc.

Re: He Got Greedy: How the U.S. Government Hunted Encryption Programmer Paul Le Roux

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post #9

Among the most closely-guarded troves of knowledge in the world are those pertaining to organized crime. This stuff is so dramatic and interesting because it is sort of "forbidden knowledge". I have high hopes for Quora (one of the YC portfolio companies) because they are trying to make accessible this sort of locked-up knowledge.

I mean, it served Experts Exchange so well. Just look at how popular that site is these days.

Experts Exchange: Alexa Rank 5,634

Stackoverflow: Alexa Rank 52

Both have high-quality answers to numerous topics. One is both free and ahead of the other. Results speak for themselves, eh?

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