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Intelligence Committee Leaders Release Discussion Draft of Encryption Bill
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#22It feels like everyone would be better served if the tech community admitted the legitimacy of the government's (and many, MANY people's) security concerns and stopped pretending that the right to privacy always trumps the right to security of the person. (All occurrences of the string "secur" in that EFF letter[1], for instance, are in reference to data and computer systems. Not one is in [direct] reference to people.) Or, if we don't go that far, we need to at least realise the need for political communities to have serious discussions about how to reconcile those two rights without jeopardising either of them.
The tech community's solutions WAY too often feel like they're motivated only by libertarian concerns for freedom which, while extremely important, are not exhaustively fundamental or final to -- and certainly do not settle the question for -- non-libertarians.
1. https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congress-stop-the-burr-feins...
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#23Feinstein is just the worst. She is the equivalent of Mitch McConnell for the Democrats. She fully understands exactly what she's proposing and she's the biggest hypocrite for it.
I don't know enough about California politics, how is it that Feinstein is able to be a proponent of these crazy ideas and somehow get elected in the home state of Silicon Valley and many of the companies who will be ruined by these proposals?
Electronic voting machines, which somehow end up re-electing the chief of the Senate Intelligence Committee, as well as chief NSA cheerleader?
But I'm sure that's just a coincidence, and Feinstein is just that loved in California. After all, US is a democracy, not some banana republic!
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/1026/Could-e-vot...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/03/21...
Re: Intelligence Committee Leaders Release Discussion Draft of Encryption Bill
#24It feels like everyone would be better served if the tech community admitted the legitimacy of the government's (and many, MANY people's) security concerns and stopped pretending that the right to privacy always trumps the right to security of the person. (All occurrences of the string "secur" in that EFF letter[1], for instance, are in reference to data and computer systems. Not one is in [direct] reference to peopl…
Government serves its people.
Period.
We are not surfs, we are not subjects.
Without the trust of its people, a government is not legitimate, has no "right" to look at its people's behavior, is simply afraid of losing power.
If instead of spying, governments focused on increasing overall goodwill there could be trust, not suspicion, on both sides of this encryption line.
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#25I believe that is someone hacked into the senate systems and exposed some secret data, maybe they would change their mind about this law?
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#26Feinstein is just the worst. She is the equivalent of Mitch McConnell for the Democrats. She fully understands exactly what she's proposing and she's the biggest hypocrite for it.
I wonder if Feinstein's relationship with the CFR has anything to do with her strangely strong stances on technology. It's weird that an 82 year old senator is so focused on technology issues.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I don't think Obama is neutral. He says the same thing as this bill. He says he "supports strong encryption", and says criminals should not be able to hide their digital communications from government. They still do not understand that it's not possible to force criminals to use government-approved encryption software. Criminals can write their own encryption. The sooner we voice up and vote out those who suppor…
>They still do not understand that it's not possible to force criminals to use government-approved encryption software. I think in this instance this is a case of you assuming ignorance where malice is far more likely. Looking at the comprehensive mass surveillance of, well, everyone (by the NSA et al), I think the point here is to further the goal of population control i.e. they don't care about criminals who would…
> I think in this instance this is a case of you assuming ignorance where malice is far more likely
I doubt it because (1) this would involve a wide-ranging conspiracy, and (2) they won't achieve their goal. If they were informed, they would know they will fail. As it is, Obama, Comey, etc will go down in history as asking technologists to perform magic. Nothing about this law helps them catch terrorists, and it hurts the US government's relationship with technologists going forward.
> they don't care about criminals who would write their own, they just want always-on access to everyone
That will not happen without a fight from companies like Apple. Ultimately, this just brings more awareness to users. It is not hard for companies to convince their users that backdoors for government make their data less secure. Tim Cook already took the first step.
More likely, I think, is technologists view government as lying about everything. We are iconoclasts seeking to break down cultural conservatisms. Also, we generalize too easily. We see government being disingenuous about one thing and assume they're dishonest about everything.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter if certain members of government are lying or not. We should be educating the public and our representatives about the fact that we can't force criminals to use government-mandated encryption.
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#28There was never any serious privacy in the U.S. but if that bill would pass even the fig leaves would vanish.
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#29I believe that is someone hacked into the senate systems and exposed some secret data, maybe they would change their mind about this law?
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#30> "Today, terrorists and criminals are increasingly using encryption to foil law enforcement efforts, even in the face of a court order."
How can you utter that sentence and simultaneously not understand why your bill is effectively worthless for its stated purpose?