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Intelligence Committee Leaders Release Discussion Draft of Encryption Bill

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>>or any person who provides a product or method to facilitate a communication or to process or store data.

So any crypto researcher, in the USA, must be able to also defeat their own 2 channel crypto?

Also, since government compensation is listed, how does that work with intractable cryptanalysis of said work?

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#12

Feinstein is just the worst. She is the equivalent of Mitch McConnell for the Democrats. She fully understands exactly what she's proposing and she's the biggest hypocrite for it.

It's pretty remarkable that Texas and California seem to elect the scummiest people possible to the Senate. I guess that's what happens when you have a massive population of mostly apathetic voters?

I really think this country would be better off if CA and TX were not allowed representation in the Senate (and I say this as a Texan).

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What's the probability of this bill actually becoming law?

I think activism against it will matter a great deal. It should be close to SOPA-levels or even greater to be sure we can stop it. That said, as it is, I think things are like this: - House majority will not support it, unless it's dramatically watered down (The House has been quite privacy-friendly/anti-backdoors lately). However, that could still be bad news for us, if say they only demand large companies to never…

Yeah I don't think Obama is neutral. He says the same thing as this bill. He says he "supports strong encryption", and says criminals should not be able to hide their digital communications from government.

They still do not understand that it's not possible to force criminals to use government-approved encryption software. Criminals can write their own encryption.

The sooner we voice up and vote out those who support such unreasonable laws, the sooner we can progress as a society towards finding the right ways to keep each other safe.

Does anyone know if there is a list of representatives showing their positions on this bill?

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Feinstein is just the worst. She is the equivalent of Mitch McConnell for the Democrats. She fully understands exactly what she's proposing and she's the biggest hypocrite for it.

Agreed. Does anyone know which representatives support this bill?

If it's just Feinstein and Burr, they can keep dreaming, but I imagine there are a few more.

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#15
Another brick in the wall.

What are we going to do a out it? Maybe Wikipedia or Google will deface their own websites, and the bill will die only to resurrect shortly after.

A better solution would be for the millions of tech workers to unite and vote GOP just to send a message that we don't automatically vote for anyone or any party.

If California's vote is locked for a certain party, then it is taken for granted.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think activism against it will matter a great deal. It should be close to SOPA-levels or even greater to be sure we can stop it. That said, as it is, I think things are like this: - House majority will not support it, unless it's dramatically watered down (The House has been quite privacy-friendly/anti-backdoors lately). However, that could still be bad news for us, if say they only demand large companies to never…

Yeah I don't think Obama is neutral. He says the same thing as this bill. He says he "supports strong encryption", and says criminals should not be able to hide their digital communications from government. They still do not understand that it's not possible to force criminals to use government-approved encryption software. Criminals can write their own encryption. The sooner we voice up and vote out those who suppor…

>They still do not understand that it's not possible to force criminals to use government-approved encryption software.

I think in this instance this is a case of you assuming ignorance where malice is far more likely. Looking at the comprehensive mass surveillance of, well, everyone (by the NSA et al), I think the point here is to further the goal of population control i.e. they don't care about criminals who would write their own, they just want always-on access to everyone.

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#17
Think of every demographic in the US that politicians whore themselves to. The most successful ones are not always large. But they vote as a block, in high numbers, and are not overly faithful to any party.

Tech workers should support senators like Wyden or R. Paul and take steps to really knock down Feinsteins or Burrs.

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#18

Feinstein is just the worst. She is the equivalent of Mitch McConnell for the Democrats. She fully understands exactly what she's proposing and she's the biggest hypocrite for it.

I don't know enough about California politics, how is it that Feinstein is able to be a proponent of these crazy ideas and somehow get elected in the home state of Silicon Valley and many of the companies who will be ruined by these proposals?

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From reading the draft, it doesn't seem to say what happens if it is not technically possible (or practical, anyway) for the entity being ordered to comply.

Will they simply be held in contempt of court until they finish brute forcing an encryption key at the heat death of the Universe?

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#20
I wish Congresspeople were held to the same standard as the rest of us. This kind of lack of understanding of technology (intentional or not) is evidence of gross incompetence. Feinstein/Burr should be expelled. We all would fired if we demonstrated this lack of ability
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