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Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by dockerlocker »

apers wrote: post #37
dockerlocker wrote: post #34

Is there a way how I can copy blocks of code outside the vim window to another application without also copying the line numbers? Also is there one simple key combination to [un]comment a line or a selected block? I found out how to do many simple operations with this ancient tool, what can be really fun if you have nothing else funny in life (too many people have no other sources of fun, really) - but I am still not…

:set nonumber removes the line numbers so you can copy without them

no, i do not want to disable line numbering. I want to avoid to copy them. I do not want to switch line numbering on off for every copy process. Absurd idea.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

#52

Post by oblio »

Nr7 wrote: post #16
pjmlp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…

Xcode is 13 years old. Visual Studio is 19 years old. Why would people use them? Because they have evolved, just like Vim & Emacs.

Well, for various reasons both of them don't really have any competition. Xcode, especially, is the IE6 of Mac coding.

Only recently some competition has emerged, from Intellij.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

#53

Post by ergo14 »

octref wrote: post #49

I have a mixed feeling as a NeoVim user and long-time Vim user. On the one hand, great to see such a huge release for Vim that brings so many features people have been begging for. Especially Async IO and JSON. On the other hand, I hope Vim just become more stable and performant while not introducing new features. At the same time, I hope more development could go into NeoVim, and more people could start using it and…

Can you point me to the source of ST3 going open source?

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

#54

Post by marklgr »

dan00 wrote: post #17
pjmlp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…

> So for me the question is why there are still people that enjoy working as if their computers are using a 25 year old developer experience. For me it's the question, why it's so hard to understand that people have different likings without to downgrade them? Everyone thinks that his/her decisions are the most sensible ones, but in most cases they aren't.

It often _is_ the most sensible choice, _for them_. The problem is, not everyone is doing the same job in the same environement, and they have a hard time realizing that. Their empathy/imagination stays too close to their own experience.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by ccozan »

mhd wrote: post #42
pjmlp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…

You edit text. That's a big part of your "developer experience", and XCode/IntelliJ don't really change that. Most of their innovations focus on the high-level, and they tend to be serious let down when it comes to straight-forward text manipulation. No progress since CUA there. Using a SmallTalk system was a somewhat different experience. Now that was integrated .

Smalltalk started the whole IDE idea actually.

The VM ( or image) is the run time and the editor at the same time. The level of integration and introspection made the whole thing very powerfull and inspired other IDEs to have this features, which without the software development could have been very slow.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by hueving »

dockerlocker wrote: post #34

Is there a way how I can copy blocks of code outside the vim window to another application without also copying the line numbers? Also is there one simple key combination to [un]comment a line or a selected block? I found out how to do many simple operations with this ancient tool, what can be really fun if you have nothing else funny in life (too many people have no other sources of fun, really) - but I am still not…

>Is there a way how I can copy blocks of code outside the vim window to another application without also copying the line numbers?

:set nonumber

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

#57

Post by maaarghk »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #46
LukeB_UK wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like the author takes patch submissions and applies them, rather than pull requests being merged. Detailed in: https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md

Wow, that's pretty lame. No one gets attribution for their work.

He does put the name of the contributor in the commit message.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by dockerlocker »

justusw wrote: post #38
dockerlocker wrote: post #34

Is there a way how I can copy blocks of code outside the vim window to another application without also copying the line numbers? Also is there one simple key combination to [un]comment a line or a selected block? I found out how to do many simple operations with this ancient tool, what can be really fun if you have nothing else funny in life (too many people have no other sources of fun, really) - but I am still not…

> Is there a way how I can copy blocks of code outside the vim window to another application without also copying the line numbers? If you're running vim in a terminal, there is an option to add native clipboard support to your yank registers. If you use vim under OS X and have installed it with brew, it will be added automatically. To check whether your current vim installation has clipboard support, try running `vi…

a good example for a stupid limitation and the enprmous waste of brian power just for a very simple thing. Have to start studying and doing real research for the most simple features. Waste!

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by userbinator »

Dropped the support for MS-DOS. It was too big to fit in memory.

This is a little surprising since the latest version of Emacs still supports MS-DOS[1]. If anything, you'd expect Vim to be the smaller and faster choice but it seems this isn't the case anymore...

Then again, I don't really understand the culture of all the customisation/plugins/etc. around text editors; part of the reason why I originally chose Vi(m) over Emacs on Unix-like platforms is that it's small and simple, and perhaps I don't expect or need much from a text editor in the first place since I used MS-DOS Edit[2] as my main text editor for many years and on Windows I'm perfectly content to use Notepad. I use the CLI for more advanced text manipulation.

[1] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForDOS

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS_Editor

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by zerr »

pmarin wrote: post #43
pjmlp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…

I don't need to learn Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS if I already know vim. Why I would to need to use a different text editor for each different language?

Unlike vim or emacs, you don't need to learn VS, Qt Creator, Clion or similar... Mostly, these tools are so intuitive, you just start being productive right after first time.
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