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For shoes new yorkers walk a lot than others and need better shoes.
you also need different shoes for different weather conditions.
Classism in America
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> and who are genuinely ashamed of how much money they make. Are you sure that isn't an act? People pretend socially acceptable emotions all the time. If they donated the excess to the IRS (the IRS accepts donations!), I'd be a bit less skeptical.
> Are you sure that isn't an act? It isn't. I'm from a economically below-average country in Europe, have lived in a couple others and I've settled down in the north. Almost none of my friends (particularly back home but here too) know how much I make because it's genuinely embarrassing. It's something of a "why do I make so much more when I'm no better than anyone else here?" feeling. Also I know it's not just me, I…
It's an interesting phenomenon and I've begun studying it more after moving out of Silicon Valley and suddenly realizing how very privileged I really am. A specific point is that generally you can't discharge the guilt just by doing good things. Donations and volunteer work don't seem to help because there's nothing to atone for.
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This writing style is itself a performance of Rationalist culture. Read anything by The Last Psychiatrist or Scott Alexander or Eliezer Yudkowsky for comparison.
You think The Last Psychiatrist is performing Rationalist culture? I hadn't noticed such a relationship, and at a moment's consideration I still don't notice it, and if you really do think that, I'd appreciate any evidence you can point me to.
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And country bumpkins despise townies... so everyone hates everyone! Let's just get that out there :)
Sure, but I'd wager that the rural folk would be fine if all the city dwellers disappeared, and that the opposite is not true.
If the opposite happened, urban areas would buy their food somewhere else and eventually save some money thanks to the increased competition in the market and the lack of agricultural subsidies, not to mention all the other ways we subsidize rural America's inefficiencies.
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#325I live in South America and classes here are, similar to Europe, not really tied to your money. It's really funny: I grew up in a slum, but software now gives me as much money as politicians and senior executives of public companies. In my first paying contract overseas, I went to the most expensive restaurant in my town. Although I wore the same clothes and belonged to the same race, everybody was staring at me. The…
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This particular point has always been a bit funny to me. I mean, sure, there are super racist areas in the south. I grew up and lived in mostly rural Alabama for the first 20+ years of my life, and there were some rural areas that were just as terrible as people imagine (cross burnings, open Klan meetings, etc, though that was starting to die down in the last 10 years or so I lived there). That said, a lot of cities…
I talked to a lot more black programmers in meetups in Atlanta than I have in San Francisco (I'm not American and was a visitor in both places) & was surprised by how biased against the former people in the latter were, despite evidence to the contrary.
Or maybe I am just bitter about a 70% white city talking about how racist a 53% black city must be.
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You don't deserve the downvotes. I grew up in Seattle and still live there. If you voice any opinions that are not in a narrow band of the far left wing, they (including recent transplants) will attribute you holding that opinion to your place of origin, rather than listening to any justification you have for holding that opinion.
My girlfriend's company in Capitol Hill is super big on diversity. It's a huge part of their hiring process. They're about 50 to 60 people large. I asked her how many conservatives work there. Answer: zero. Along some axes Seattle is very diverse. But along others not so much.
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're talking about inclusion and exclusion from any particular groups, you're going to talk about "shibboleths". It's quite a common term and no more flamboyant than talking about "MathML" or "hyperlinks" on HN. Or Shibboleth, of course. I'd actually expect quite a few folk here to know the word from the SSO solution.
I don't know, I'm not sure I've ever encountered it before. Since it's rooted in Hebrew, perhaps it has to do with exposure to Jewish vulture, or people that express Jewish culture? Certain Hebrew words have become common in American culture (I would say due to long history of excellent Jewish comedians, from Brooks and Allen to Seinfeld), but others are more esoteric (to my view). Of course, it's entirely possible i…
OTOH, I first heard the term it was from working with academic institutions in the UK, because Shibboleth seems to be the favoured form of SSO there (though apparently it came from the Internet2 group, which is US).
So anyone doing SSO or SAML etc would probably have heard the word and you'd have to be fairly incurious not to look it up :-)
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since no-one else mentioned it yet in this subthread, the phenomenon you are discussing is called a sociolect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociolect Basically, since class is culture, and cultures have language, a sociolect describes the language of a class, the ways you have to talk to perform that class. And, naturally, this goes both ways. Someone talking the sociolect of a certain class is seen as performing th…
Back in the middle ages, when the French conquered Britain, the ruling class spoke French and the peasants spoke English. A lot of French words flowed into English as a result. But even today, if people use the words of French origin rather than the old English words, one is regarded as being from the upper class, such as using 'purchase' instead of 'buy'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Frenc.…
Upper class: valet [val-ett], fillet [fill-ett]. Middle class or lower: valet [val-ay], fillet [fill-ay].
Upper class: claret [clar-ett] (from French clairet). Middle class or lower: Bordeaux.
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While the outright assertion that a black suspect would have been shot is unjustified, it seems counterintuitive to simultaneously make reference to one erroneous snap judgment (the cop assuming the white woman was not the shooter) without acknowledging the other side of that coin. Why is the cop an allowable surrogate of societal stereotypes when he assumes the white woman is not the shooter, but an "individual that…
> it seems counterintuitive to simultaneously make reference to one erroneous snap judgment (the cop assuming the white woman was not the shooter) without acknowledging the other side of that coin. No supporting evidence has been presented that a person will necessarily attribute the same level of certainty when positively or negatively associating a person to a category, either globally or under specific circumstanc…