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More Than 40% of Student Borrowers Aren’t Making Payments

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The student loan system lies in the special place that brings in the worst of private and government sectors. General loans work pretty well out there: Loan costs are aligned with loan risks, because nobody wants to loan money to those that can't pay. But student loans are guaranteed by the government, so for all intents and purposes, anyone can get a loan, whether they'll be able to pay it or not. At the same time,…

Well there is a way that combines best of both - look at UK.

Basically you have a similar deal like the US, so everyone is guaranteed a loan no matter which university they are going to, but at the same time, the government has limited how much universities can charge per year. So it doesn't matter if you go study at Oxford or a some tiny university no one heard about. The maximum you have to pay is 10k a year. And you don't have to pay anything back unless you make more than a certain amount per year after graduating.

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> This is really a shocking dereliction of duty on the part of teachers and guidance counselors. Playing devil's advocate for a second, what if the teachers and guidance counselors still believe it to be true? They're likely from a previous generation or two, where simply having a college degree opened up most doors. Then again, what if having a college degree really is still better than not? You don't have to spend…

Some of what you're saying is true, but some doesn't quite work out: 1. Work while you study: why work a part time job for $X and go to school part time, when you could finish school in half the time by going full time and spend the remaining time working for $2X? Work study is generally counterproductive. 2. $65K is still a lot of debt. Lots of my peers have that and $20K/yr jobs. The truth is, there simply aren't m…

I took a full time class load and also worked part time through college. It wasn't that bad,(in fact it was good) and it was fairly commonplace at the school I went to.

Is this not the case anymore?

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Tell them to go to a European university. It's almost free, a lot of countries offer courses in English, they get to see Europe, and even if the living costs are higher, it's not going to be 6 digits expensive/they'd get an education plus a few years adventure for that money.

I agree with your general advice, but I'd add on that university education in the UK is expensive (though not as expensive as the US), so they should be prepared to learn another language (for life outside the University course).

>so they should be prepared to learn another language (for life outside the University course).

Maybe, maybe not. University itself is not uncommonly taught in English and English competency in northern Europe is generally high. If you're just planning to stay for the education then learning the language might not be necessary.

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I have several reactions to this report.

First of all, I think it demonstrates that American university tuition is way too high. So much of that money goes toward things like sports teams, climbing walls, emotional support dogs, and other things that just don't have to be a part of the college experience. American universities have an unbelievable amount of staff that isn't about education or research.

The thing is, there's little incentive for universities to cut back, because no matter what they charge, they have willing customers. And those customers aren't paying the bills -- not at the time of purchase, and perhaps never at all (as this article states).

Secondly, the notion of work -- not work-study programs, but real work -- should probably become more prominent among US students. In Israel, where I now live, most students work at part-time jobs, and juggle both work and school. It's not ideal, especially since many of them also have families, but it does help to keep debts relatively low.

Thirdly, I think that it's too easy to take out loans. I took out loans for my undergraduate degree, and was fortunate to pay them back within a few years of graduating. I then took out loans for my PhD, and while I've been managing to pay them back faster than expected, no one ever asked me at the time, "Are you sure you'll be able to pay these back?" A bit of discussion at the time of taking out loans, and looking at options, or even giving financial counseling, might have helped me or others to take out less.

Finally, the notion that you cannot ever get rid of your government-sponsored tuition loans is crazy. I'm not saying that people should declare bankruptcy at the drop of a hat, or that there shouldn't be consequences. But people have issues, and excluding student loans from bankruptcy -- which is intended to give people a new start -- seems extremely unfair to the people who need this tool most of all.

No wonder people are just not paying their loans back; if declaring bankruptcy isn't an option, and they can't pay, then they'll just not pay.

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I am from Brazil, and was victim of the same thing. Worse, I could if I had spent a year studying or so, join a free university, but even that was unnaceptable, the "right thing" to do was take a loan and dive in a expensive course. I finished college in 2009, I still don't got my first legal job, and I still have debts, I am struggling to buy medicine I need. Meanwhile everyone I know that ignored the "adults" and d…

No seal?

Nope, when they told me my diploma was "ready" and I showed up, the person just walked off, then I heard inkjet noises, and came back with a half-assed official looking normal A4 printed paper.

No seal, also the Rector signature is obviously just a printed JPEG file on what is probably a word document.

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Some of what you're saying is true, but some doesn't quite work out: 1. Work while you study: why work a part time job for $X and go to school part time, when you could finish school in half the time by going full time and spend the remaining time working for $2X? Work study is generally counterproductive. 2. $65K is still a lot of debt. Lots of my peers have that and $20K/yr jobs. The truth is, there simply aren't m…

I took a full time class load and also worked part time through college. It wasn't that bad,(in fact it was good) and it was fairly commonplace at the school I went to. Is this not the case anymore?

It depends on the rigor of your institution, of the program you're in, and what constitutes "full time."

At the institution I attended, FT was 12-18 credit hours in a semester. You could take up to 21 with permission from the administration and your professors, and up to 24 with permission + paying additionally for the 3 credits.

The difference between 12 credits and 18 in terms of work load and scheduling hassles is astronomical yet both are full time. Our professions always said 1 hour in class = 3 hours outside of class. Assuming that held true (it rarely did on an individual class level but on a semester level it was pretty close), 12 credits = 48 hours a week and 18 = 72.

If you're only taking 12-15 credits you probably should have a 10-15 hour/week job. If you're taking 18 I wouldn't even do work study on campus for gas money, you just won't have the time unless you want no social life.

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Woah what loan are you speaking of??? My federal loan was about 3% in 2005.

Federal loan rate history: http://www.finaid.org/loans/historicalrates.phtml I consolidated but I know that some of mine were at 6.8% fixed thanks to this lovely change: 2006-07: Replacement of separate variable in-school/grace and repayment rates on the Stafford Loan with a single fixed rate of 6.8%. Replacement of variable interest rates on the PLUS Loan with a fixed rate of 8.5% (FFELP) and 7.9% (DL).

I looked up my rate from 2000-2001...FFFFFUUUUUUUU

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Some of what you're saying is true, but some doesn't quite work out: 1. Work while you study: why work a part time job for $X and go to school part time, when you could finish school in half the time by going full time and spend the remaining time working for $2X? Work study is generally counterproductive. 2. $65K is still a lot of debt. Lots of my peers have that and $20K/yr jobs. The truth is, there simply aren't m…

I took a full time class load and also worked part time through college. It wasn't that bad,(in fact it was good) and it was fairly commonplace at the school I went to. Is this not the case anymore?

I went to college in Brazil, here the class load is fixed for most universities (ie: you don't choose what classes you will go, they will hand to you a list of the ones you are signed up for each semester).

Although the classes themselves took half a day (started at 7:30, finished at 13:00) the coursework we had to do was incredibly high, teachers never coordinated, they just assumed that you had all free time of the world.

In one semester I had to quit my job, and slept to little that I got incredibly sick, my apartment reeked sugar, because I was drinking coca-cola and energy drinks so fast that empty bottles were piling up near my computer, I slept on average 4 hours per day, and went from 110kg to 125kg

And mind you, this was to do coursework, NOT any kind of paying work, when I finished university my net worth was incredibly negative, right now it STILL is negative, I am living with my parents right now to dedicate 100% of my income to debt paying, and still don't see any perspective of actually paying it (specially because when I consider the past year or two, the average INTEREST I had to pay, was higher than my average income).

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> I get the impression that that some kids did really challenging programs or went to prestigious schools and that paid off really well, but a lot of kids bought into the "college = success" mantra. Challenging programs have relatively little to do with it. It's almost 100% about the prestigious schools and the networks that come along with them: the old "it's not what you know; it's who you know," deal. > All that s…

I went to a prestigious school and studied physics - place was ranked best in the world for the subject at the time. The degree is worthless. The wretched right-wing connections are even more worthless.

Are you working in physics or a related field? It seems odd that you would associate the political beliefs of what is surely only a portion of your collegiate network with the science degree you got.

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A big takeaway from this article (for me) is that people are surprised that 17 year old kids don't understand what they're doing when they take out that college loan. Shock and astonishment despite there being little to no preparation for this kind of financial understanding previously in their education. That surprise and shock shocks and surprises me. Honestly it kind of reminds me of the whole Yelp minimum wage th…

I question whether we should be shocked that we have taught such little financial literacy by the age of 17.

But the truth is that the kids mowing the lawn each weekend are getting rarer.

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