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Re: GitLab Pages

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Dear lord these guys are putting in work. I'm not exactly a huge supporter of Github (the company not the product) so I'm very glad to see it. I look forward to their continued growth.

Yeah, but I wish they'd give more credit where due. On their markdown page they claim "For GitLab we developed something we call "GitLab Flavored Markdown" (GFM)." while that is obviously a ripoff of GitHub Flavoured Markdown.

You know what's even better to me than GitHub-Flavoured Markdown? Markdeep:

https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/

Demo:

https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/features.md.html

Yes, I know they likely provided it for compatibility, but markdeep is just too cool to not mention.

Re: GitLab Pages

#232
post #175

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Is there any indication they're suffering actual discrimination? Pay gaps, harassment, disproportionately not-hired or fired?

Like all racism, how much you encounter it really depends on where you live. A white person living in the Big Island of Hawaii.. almost daily.

Is it a problem for you? If so, and you didn't live there as a child, many people would just suggest that you move. Colonialism isn't history in Hawai'i.

It never really bothered me when I lived on O'ahu. I know the difference between "damn haoles" and "fuckin' haoles", and I know which one I am.

Re: GitLab Pages

#233
My only issue with Gitlab is that the entire product initially started off as a completely ripoff of Github.

Considering what Github does for the open source community in general, that somewhat bothers me.

Re: GitLab Pages

#234
post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like all racism, how much you encounter it really depends on where you live. A white person living in the Big Island of Hawaii.. almost daily.

Unless Github's located in Hawaii, I'm not sure how that's relevant. Github is predominantly white and located in SF. Are white employees there suffering significant "actual discrimination" as the post a couple levels up alleges?

No.

Re: GitLab Pages

#235

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There is another possibility, which is that once upon a time the system was severely tilted, and for various complex reasons there is a _massive_ multi-generational delay between leveling the system seeing the results of leveling the system. I think most people would agree that many of the effects of inequality are felt on a multigenerational scale, and that solutions will only fully be realized on a similar time fra…

>> What's the functional difference between "living in a system that is severely tilted" and "living in a system that is severely tilted" and "living in a system that has allegedly been repaired, but in practice will remain tilted for a number of generations until this alleged new-found fairness has a chance to propagate through the system?" The second half of your second quote does not at all reflect the intention b…

    > The definition of the 'system' is easily, dynamically changed
Right. "The system" is merely shorthand for the totality of institutional and cultural factors that affect one's experience. Laws, cultural bias, hiring practices, etc. It's not meant to be a specific term, ever. I've never heard anybody claim otherwise.

    > At any point in time, manifest inequality of results does NOT logically 
    > require that there is necessarily either inequality of ability or, at 
    > PRESENT, inequality of treatment by 'the system'.
Again, let me ask you: from the perspective of somebody experiencing this "manifest inequality of results," what's the difference?

To a young black woman in America in 2016 feeling every possible effect of centuries of (allegedly corrected) mandated inequality and familial discontinuity in America, what do we say? Do we just tell her that all those problems have been fixed, and it's terribly unfortunate for her that she was born before that effects of those (alleged) corrections bear any kind of fruit for the majority of black people in America?

   > If we walk around thinking "group X has less money then group Y, therefore 
   > there MUST be a problem of Xism towards group X which benefits group Y" we 
   > are not only being irrational, we are missing out of important opportunities 
   > to more effectively improve the condition of the world for all involved.
Obviously, long-term solutions are key. Again: short-term action is often necessary unless you're willing to simply allow people to suffer in the meantime.

In the long run, sure, they really ought to improve the roads in my neighborhood so that I don't get so many flat tires. But in the meantime I'm not going to let my car sit there with four flat tires.

   > I mentioned the example of some poverty afflicted white male to emphasize the 
   > difficulties that _poor_ people have
Right, you were very clear about that. Your point was obvious and I don't think anybody would disagree. I don't think anybody disputes the enormous amount of overlap between the problems of poverty (which obviously spans all races) and other problems such as racism.

And hey, just so we're clear: my car doesn't really have flat tires, and the roads in my neighborhood are pretty good.

   > But what types of 'short term' race-related actions might be needed in the 
   > hypothetical world in which there is no longer any racism? Reparations?
What if people in positions of privilege, such as highly-paid white males working at places like Github, helped to ensure that members of minority groups enjoy the opportunity to become highly-qualified job seekers, and give qualified members of minority groups access to stable, well-paying jobs? Like those at GitHub?

   > Who gets to decide the one true meaning of white privilege? I've discussed this topic 
   > with hundreds of people, and can confidently say there is a small but still frighteningly 
   > large group of people out there who disagree with you.
I think you said it yourself: a proportionally "small" group believe that all white people live inside a magical force field where literally everything is easy for every white person. Obviously with a large enough sample size you can find people that believe any damn thing. But that is generally not what people mean when they talk about white privilege.

Though I do question if maybe you misunderstood them. White privilege does not make everything easy, but it does actually suffuse most things. To take your theoretical example of an impoverished white male raised in an alcoholic household: while life certainly is not easy for that theoretical person, there are additional challenges he would face if he were black, female, etc.

And of course, one can certainly think of some situations where being white and male is actually a disadvantage. Again, not incompatible with the notion of white privilege or male privilege existing.

Re: GitLab Pages

#236

My only issue with Gitlab is that the entire product initially started off as a completely ripoff of Github. Considering what Github does for the open source community in general, that somewhat bothers me.

One of the founding principles of open source is that you can take a copy of someone's work and make changes to it (as long as you continue to make the changes public).

Github isn't open source so the analogy doesn't quite hold, but they're creating something and giving it to the community (as well as building a business).

Re: GitLab Pages

#237

My only issue with Gitlab is that the entire product initially started off as a completely ripoff of Github. Considering what Github does for the open source community in general, that somewhat bothers me.

Poor privately held, closed-source, for-profit corporation :(

Re: GitLab Pages

#238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the latest version you have tried? We've made a lot of changes to GitLab in the last number of releases that make GitLab a whole lot faster [0], but we recognize that the performance of GitLab.com can still improve quite a bit. For low-memory machines, we do recommend people to use Gogs. [0]: https://about.gitlab.com/2016/02/22/gitlab-8-5-released/

Wow nice improvements, i hadn't noticed this. Gitlab.com seems a lot snappier.

Good to hear! Let us know what we can improve.

Re: GitLab Pages

#239

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In my experience, SJW is a term for people who are not actually working to improve the state of affairs of the world in terms of 'social justice', but rather people who have bought into a very specific, irrational, and blatantly hypocritical ideology. This distasteful subculture really exists, and - as with anti-vaxxers, birthers, the chemtrail people, white supremacists and other irrational movements - it poses a fu…

SJW is a pejorative, plain and simple. It means "shut up and stay in your place". In this particular case, the post I was replying to[0] was referring to a post[1] that I'm pretty sure was referring to racism against white people. Take that as you will. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11431762 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11431107

> SJW is a pejorative

So? 'Racist' is also pejorative. Racists exist and we ought to be able to discuss their existence and harms. SJWs exists and we ought to discuss their existence and their harms as well.

> It means "shut up and stay in your place"

I literally laughed out loud on reading this. Of course SJW doesn't mean anyone should stay in their place. Where do you get this outrageous idea? And what is that place, to you?

> In this particular case, the post I was replying t

I can't speak to the motives and thoughts of this particular speaker, but it seemed to me you were making a generalization about what 'SJW' really means, and making unwarranted claims about what we should be able to reliably infer from the mere use of the term.

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