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Re: Tesla Intrigue Deepens with Musk's Twitter Barrage

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Post by lttlrck » Mon, Apr 04, 2016, 10:46 PM UTC

Laaw wrote: post #19

yoodenvranx wrote: post #13

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> At this point, can it be anything other than full autonomous? There is no way that autonomous driving is going to work in most small European town and villages. There are so many downtowns which were never meant to be used by car and it is already difficult to navigate those places as a human. I just don't see how this should work over here in Europe. Selfdriving on the highway or in a typical suburban sprawl in th…

Why? What specifically is hard about narrow streets? That actually sounds like the kind of thing a self driving car could excel at. The bigger problem, is imagine, would be weather. I dunno how completely they've solved that problem yet.

How will they negotiate a stalemate? Against a human or a non-human opponent? Humans will use headlights, gestures, eye contact.

Re: Tesla Intrigue Deepens with Musk's Twitter Barrage

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Post by marssaxman » Mon, Apr 04, 2016, 10:54 PM UTC

erikpukinskis wrote: post #239

marssaxman wrote: post #144

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Do you want to be inside the car when it does that? It is not going to be much fun unless you are paying attention and bracing yourself, in which case I'm not sure I see the advantage of letting the computer do it for you.

I would VASTLY prefer to be in that car than to be in a different car with a human driver and watch a person get killed by the vehicle I'm riding in.

Nobody is going to die from a 5 mph collision. It's not even likely to break any bones. At 30 mph, the chance of death is still only 5%!

There may still be reasons to prefer robot cars for low-speed environments but the probability of such a vehicle striking and killing a pedestrian is already very low, so that is not relevant to a discussion of a robot car's ability to stop very rapidly at very low speeds.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/research/pub/HS809012.htm...

Re: Tesla Intrigue Deepens with Musk's Twitter Barrage

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Post by erikpukinskis » Mon, Apr 04, 2016, 11:01 PM UTC

rewqfdsa wrote: post #80

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #58

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Assuming its 'his' to begin with. Not hers already?

I'm quite sure that Musk is the one responsible for the increase in value of his companies, not someone who's been uninvolved in running them.

Having someone parent your kids while you work 120 hours a week is pretty useful. It's the opinion of the courts that that job is worth exactly half of whatever the working spouse brings home. If you don't like that arrangement what's the point of being married in the first place?

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Post by dominotw » Mon, Apr 04, 2016, 11:12 PM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #224

dominotw wrote: post #197

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>That feature alone could reduce total crashes by 10% [1] Well, ofcourse. I am talking about ppl become less safety conscious because these features give them (false) sense of security. eg: Anti-Tsunami walls killed more people than they saved during great japanese tsunami because they gave people false sense of security and ppl didn't take evacuation warnings seriously assuming walls would take care of it. And ofcou…

This is not a new argument for car safety features. The same things were said about seat belts, 3-point harnesses, and air bags. In each case, they were wrong. Accident survival rates went up significantly, while overall accident rates did not.

>The same things were said about seat belts, 3-point harnesses, and air bags.

I think this is different. Putting on seat belts doesn't make you think that you'd be saved from crash while you text.

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Post by jusben1369 » Mon, Apr 04, 2016, 11:58 PM UTC

logicallee wrote: post #205

jusben1369 wrote: post #84

One of the things I find fascinating, and that Tesla has to grapple with at some point with real ramifications, is: are they a self driving car company that just happens to be an electric car company? Or the other way around? I would argue that electric car companies are appealing to a much smaller subset of potential customers than are self driving cars. But the mission behind each is very different and that flows i…

Also, is Apple a supercomputer company that happened to get into AT&T's telephone handset business and Sony's walkman business? The way AT&T used to make rotary phones? Or are they a telephone handset business that happens to make miniature Cray supercomputers with, for some reason, integrated screens? Because an iPad is stronger than a supercomputer of previous decades. Well, a supercomputer isn't supposed to fit in…

Good stuff! I would say that Apple is/was a personal computer company. The form factor changed to mobile but the mission still seems largely the same.

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Post by logicallee » Tue, Apr 05, 2016, 12:19 AM UTC

jusben1369 wrote: post #245

logicallee wrote: post #205

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Also, is Apple a supercomputer company that happened to get into AT&T's telephone handset business and Sony's walkman business? The way AT&T used to make rotary phones? Or are they a telephone handset business that happens to make miniature Cray supercomputers with, for some reason, integrated screens? Because an iPad is stronger than a supercomputer of previous decades. Well, a supercomputer isn't supposed to fit in…

Good stuff! I would say that Apple is/was a personal computer company. The form factor changed to mobile but the mission still seems largely the same.

so we've answered the question: Tesla is a transportation company. hell, in the future their stuff could fly (why not.) but you still buy it to transport you and your family or stuff from A to B.

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Post by Bedon292 » Tue, Apr 05, 2016, 1:32 AM UTC

johnward wrote: post #221

Bedon292 wrote: post #208

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He stated in the talk that supercharger was included with all Model 3's.

Supercharging hardware is included. Did not confirm it will be free. On the Model S there is a charge for supercharging hardware.

He said supercharging was included in the talk. And everywhere is reporting it as included on all models. "and supercharging, even for the basic version of the car." http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/04/the-post-model-3-reveal-...

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Post by friendzis » Tue, Apr 05, 2016, 5:09 AM UTC

pbreit wrote: post #127

friendzis wrote: post #65

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A thing to note on looks: there will be a number plate to complete the looks. And remember there are at least US and European versions of that to consider in the design. This is entirely subject to personal taste, but Alfa Romeos' (e.g. 147) fronts look nice in PR, but look hideous with a number plate attached literally "wherever there is some space for it". New Audis suffer from similar problem: even though the numb…

Is it legal to put the plate behind glass/plastic (for aerodynamics)?

At least in my country the rules regarding number plate placement have statements like "clearly visible", "unobstructed" and "must not be covered by protective materials". I the rules would be similar +/- everywhere. I think this is mostly related to speed cameras and similar tools being able to clearly read the plate number.

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Post by friendzis » Tue, Apr 05, 2016, 5:14 AM UTC

exhilaration wrote: post #77

friendzis wrote: post #65

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A thing to note on looks: there will be a number plate to complete the looks. And remember there are at least US and European versions of that to consider in the design. This is entirely subject to personal taste, but Alfa Romeos' (e.g. 147) fronts look nice in PR, but look hideous with a number plate attached literally "wherever there is some space for it". New Audis suffer from similar problem: even though the numb…

A lot of American states don't require front license plates and their motor vehicle agencies will only provide you with a single rear plate.

Interesting. How do they implement speed cameras, plate scanning for police officers and parking gates if there is no front facing number plate?

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Post by peteretep » Tue, Apr 05, 2016, 9:55 AM UTC

yoodenvranx wrote: post #71

peteretep wrote: post #63

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> and it is already difficult to navigate those places > as a human I don't know why a machine that has 3d perfect vision and knows exactly how big it is relative to its surroundings would be worse at this that a human bean.

Because in a lot of situations you are not alone on the road and you have to negotiate with other cars or people and decide what to do. There are a lot of single lane streets which can be passed in both directions and the car has sonehow have to deal with the incoming var on who should drive first or who drives backwards.

Meh, again, I don't know why software that's never having a bad day, never frustrated, is trained to drive defensively, and has the actual highway code programmed in to it will struggle more than Pedro will, especially given that if the other car is also autonomous then they can actually negotiate.