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Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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Medicine (and many other "closed" subjects) is widely taught in schools - it is not a secret guild. You can also go to school for agriculture, to learn about the growth of crops and about livestock management. The difference is that this ocean farming is a new endeavor by a small group. It's not like CS or math where independent researchers can download a compiler or pick up a notebook and verify or extend other stud…

Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity. Sure, medicine and law are widely taught. Those same two groups work to ensure that it's very difficult to acquire and apply that knowledge. Getting into med school is difficult and expensive, with a license to practice even more so.

I'm not indicating whether I agree or disagree, but: the stakes are high with both. Bad lawyer can doom a client for the rest of his life. Bad doctor can take life. I expect compsci to become more difficult as our stakes continue to increase, and we are already getting there with Ashley Madison/USG level PII disclosures and mass surveillance engineering, for example. Some life or death fields within our own are already there or on their way.

Think about all the bad programmers you are aware of, and think about how many are employed. I believe medicine is trying to avoid that, somewhat understandably, with collateral damage against people who would otherwise be good doctors but are unlucky. Calling it a conspiracy might be a bit of a reach. Take that sentiment into watching Patch Adams, for example, and the big bad mean medical establishment might make a smidgen more sense. On grounds of dignity and tradition is one thing, but competency is another and I think the root of the conflict.

This is all interesting of course when you also, correctly, notice that there are many bad doctors and lawyers all the same. My ex-wife's divorce attorney needed help from my own understanding notary procedure (yes, really). But hard to say whether there are fewer with the system in place. Maybe there are.

Again, no opinion being shared on whether I agree with the practice or not (I'm honestly unsure, if you want the truth), just an observation. Maybe some of the issues in our industry, particularly incredibly lax security practices, might be mitigated with a bar to entry similar to medicine. I simply don't have that answer and I can see arguments on both sides.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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I'd imagine there would be some impact on the native ecosystem. You can't prevent the seed from escaping the aquafarm and (potentially invasive) oysters and kelps growing where they normally would not, displacing local species. That said.. the small footprint of these farms means you could probably localize this impact, or pick areas that are at a lower risk for farming. Potentially the biggest hurdle here would be r…

Oysters and kelp are already everywhere. The sea has currents that transport everything that is in the sea everywhere. Stuff grows when it reaches a suitable climate.

Oysters were once so common in New York Harbour that they're on our flag.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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post #48

Very interesting idea, I wonder how is it affected by pollution from ships. Ship pollute much more than cars because they burn the lowest quality of fuel and somehow managed to withstand regulatory pressure. So is this 3d farming still producing great food if all the water is polluted by ship waste?

I think most of the pollution ships produce is directly distributed into atmosphere via exhaust fumes.

That's not true, the water is seriously polluted too. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-1... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_ship...

Sea farming would have to guarantee that it is protected from such pollution, with harvests rigorously tested on a regular basis.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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post #57

Wow this is amazing. I'm building a permaculture system in my back yard in Connecticut. These renewable strategies are right up my ally! https://youtu.be/5FBEMb-Ra14 | related - its my systems I'm building, recorded yesterday, during rain storm.

Nice mounds.

What is the word you keep saying in the video that sounds like "hoboculture"? I spent about 90 seconds failing to look it up.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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We need open source resources on how to build and maintain farms like this. Unfortunately these guys are not sharing yet, at least I couldn't find any detailed information. I'd love to try this myself, but as a complete novice i'd need a lot basic information - like what species to grow, how to get seeds and plant them, etc.

I did a quick search and it seems there is some general information out there about ocean farming/aquaculture.

There is a Wikipedia article on the subject:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaculture

As well as an office of Aquaculture in the US NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration):

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/aquaculture/index.htm

Maybe these resources could help you find information & resources to learn more about ocean farming/aquaculture.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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post #80

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> there's no reason why it should be significantly cheaper than energy According to Lockheed Martin, compact fusion has the potential to produce (modular?) 10MW reactors about the size of a semi-trailer truck. This reactor size reduction comes with a corresponding cost reduction without depending on new physics. http://www.lockheedmartin.ca/us/products/compact-fusion.html Note: I'm not a nuclear physicist.

Lockheed Martin has yet to produce any evidence that they have achieved break-even power under laboratory conditions, not to mention a device that scales to MW levels or delivers cheap energy. I wouldn't hold my breath.

My point wasn't about Lockheed Martin per se. With ICF, MCF, and MTF, and many instances of those classes of fusion machines being constructed and tested globally, there is a path and plan to make nuclear fusion viable in the future. Doesn't matter that the first machine costs billions, the price will come down at each every subsequent iteration, even if it takes 100 years (or the discovery of room-temperature superconductors).

Back in February the Chinese EAST project (only $37 million USD) confined a plasma pulse of 50 million K for 102 seconds. Progress is slow, yes, but my point remains. When fusion is finally viable, we should strive to have an open infrastructure that liberates humanity from growing, harvesting, and distributing food. (Japan is well on the way, FWIW.)

Time and money are two compelling reasons. Another is climate change. Some estimates predict a decrease in certain crop yields (such as maize in South Africa) by up to 30%. OTOH, some crops will thrive with a higher CO2 concentration, while others will not tolerate the heat and coming droughts. Indoor farming eliminates global climate as a factor to growth.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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post #57

Wow this is amazing. I'm building a permaculture system in my back yard in Connecticut. These renewable strategies are right up my ally! https://youtu.be/5FBEMb-Ra14 | related - its my systems I'm building, recorded yesterday, during rain storm.

Nice mounds. What is the word you keep saying in the video that sounds like "hoboculture"? I spent about 90 seconds failing to look it up.

hugelkultur - I might pronounce it incorrectly, its a German word.

http://www.richsoil.com/hugelkultur/

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity. Sure, medicine and law are widely taught. Those same two groups work to ensure that it's very difficult to acquire and apply that knowledge. Getting into med school is difficult and expensive, with a license to practice even more so.

I'm not indicating whether I agree or disagree, but: the stakes are high with both. Bad lawyer can doom a client for the rest of his life. Bad doctor can take life. I expect compsci to become more difficult as our stakes continue to increase, and we are already getting there with Ashley Madison/USG level PII disclosures and mass surveillance engineering, for example. Some life or death fields within our own are alrea…

>> Think about all the bad programmers you are aware of, and think about how many are employed. I believe medicine is trying to avoid that, somewhat understandably, with collateral damage against people who would otherwise be good doctors but are unlucky.

It's not accurate.

We definitely know from the UK, Australia and Africa, that properly trained nurses can do well, many of the doctor's jobs, while increasing accessibility.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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post #41

This guy should give a TED talk.

He already did - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ViaskDSeI

Thank you for that link, but it's not a "TED" talk, it's a "TEDx" talk. I'd still very much like to see a 2016 "TED" talk from the same person.

All that said, the linked TEDx talk is absolutely worth watching.

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