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How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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This is really cool. Any idea how widespread this method is currently used?

No idea. Sounds almost to good to be true. I presume it needs a continental shelf, which precludes the west coast.

Mussels are grown along the West Coast as well as the East. They can be farmed in tidal rivers. Molluscs such as mussels, oysters, and clams thrive in intertidal zones and it's areas such as these where you would harvest them in their natural state.

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This kind of farmers revolutions crop all the time in history, thanksfully! I'm a bit sceptical about the taste of seaweed having being in Japan already, but of course he is right. Just see the land farmers revolutions, fighting industrial farming with new methods. Organic farming (the "bio" label), sellers collectives, Community Supported Agriculture (CSA). Previously they had to fight the big mills and banks, now t…

Good thing is that taste is acquired. Taste is the least important thing for an individual. For a silly population it's probably the best marketing tool. So yes, it will take time to adjust to the taste of the ocean.

Better that than killing ~3 trillion ocean animals yearly and destroying the oceanic ecosystems.

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Yes, partially I'm sceptical because the tastes can range from throwing up, disgusting, neutral, faboulous (miso soup). But on the hand he surely knows what he is doing with a successful 20 acres farm, so I rather believe it tastes good.

Another thing to remember is that tastes can be acquired. When I was 12 I hated beer, blue cheese and olives. Nowadays I'd have that for dinner and count myself lucky. I remember being unwilling to eat the coffee crisp out of my Halloween candy bag because it tasted too much like coffee. Now I drink 4 cups a day black as night. I imagine that if you forced yourself for a week (or some timeline), you'd love the taste…

>I think that the demonstrable environmental impact may be enough for some people to force themselves.

The problem is that this doesn't necessarily scales up, it's very nice for over-priced niche markets like high end restaurants but if you are going to feed the world using this type of agriculture it can be just as destructive as any other type of mass production on a scale that can feed nations not to mention the world.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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We need open source resources on how to build and maintain farms like this. Unfortunately these guys are not sharing yet, at least I couldn't find any detailed information. I'd love to try this myself, but as a complete novice i'd need a lot basic information - like what species to grow, how to get seeds and plant them, etc.

I couldn't agree much. If you look outside of CS and mathematics, where FLOSS principles are widely represented, in most domains it is very hard to access the knowledge. Besides the experts protecting their expertise, there are some fields where they actively try to discourage any such dissemination of knowledge to protect the interest of the trade -medicine, where there is also a question of accountability- or to protect society as a whole -the knowledge to make weapons and explosives. Obviously, these are important arguments you have to deal with when trying to convince somebody that open knowledge is a benefit to society. There's also quite a deal of effort that goes into making these resources available, so it's not just a problem of opening things.

Have a look at 'open source ecology', there are things existing, but this is still a long way from getting to the point where CS/math is.

You can also look at Earthships, a fairly utopian idea, and how far they are from embracing openness, despite their proclaimed philosophy.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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We should focus our attention on taking humans out of the food industry altogether. Here's a model I've been thinking about that should make it possible to create a free food society: http://i.stack.imgur.com/KfGtn.png Not just free as in no cost, but free also as in liberty. Imagine not having to work for food. Food weaves a recursive economic penalty into all facets of society. What's especially amazing about 3D ve…

You don't need to plan out the details of a system that is (reliably and actually) self maintaining and relies on (cheap and clean) fusion. Both things would be such economic boons that they will be adopted essentially instantly.

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Although this sounds useful, it also sounds like the kind of thing that industrialised agriculture profiteers (eg Monsanto) will go out of their way to stop. :(

Wonder what strategy places like Monsanto could use for that purpose? First approach that springs to mind is trying to discredit the approach... probably combined with something legal like trying to get it banned outright because "food safety".

Hopefully the industrialised agriculture profiteers can be warded off long enough for this to get legs. :)

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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We need open source resources on how to build and maintain farms like this. Unfortunately these guys are not sharing yet, at least I couldn't find any detailed information. I'd love to try this myself, but as a complete novice i'd need a lot basic information - like what species to grow, how to get seeds and plant them, etc.

Upvoted! (And I don't know, why you were downvoted) If we're doing software the open source way (and thus securing the sustainability of the software "eco" system), why not do the same for food production (and secure the sustainability of food production). Just this morning I talked to a woman on the Sunday market and she told me about a guy who, even thou he has his own green houses and makes a living doing that, gi…

There are two factors for growing food that I learned the hard way, "when to plant" and "plant temperature tolerances"

For when to plant, I use this web site, if my desired plant isn't on the chart, I make a best guess based on related plants:

http://www.almanac.com/gardening/planting-dates

As for temperature tolerances, googling the "hardiness of a tomato" is a great stepping stone.

Re: How an Army of Ocean Farmers Are Starting an Economic Revolution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He says that just after your quote: "Instead of harvesting food, these farms harvest ecosystem services." That means they don't sell the production

Hmm, they could if it's to make ethanol!

I wonder if it'd require extra processing to make sure heavy metals aren't left in the ethanol or if the typical production methods already leave that stuff out.
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