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How to Start Running

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Re: How to Start Running

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As someone who's already run 900 miles and four marathons year-to-date, I'll add some hard won advice: 1) Do not be in a hurry. Most runners do way too much way too soon. You will likely get injured. You gain aerobic capacity in a matter of weeks to months. But soft tissues, tendons, ligaments, bone density... those takes years to adapt. 2) If you're getting injured, something is wrong. You're doing too much too soon…

    But soft tissues, tendons, ligaments, bone density...
    that takes years to acclimate.
Is this the reason for so-called "old guy strength"?

Re: How to Start Running

#32
post #14

As someone who's already run 900 miles and four marathons year-to-date, I'll add some hard won advice: 1) Do not be in a hurry. Most runners do way too much way too soon. You will likely get injured. You gain aerobic capacity in a matter of weeks to months. But soft tissues, tendons, ligaments, bone density... those takes years to adapt. 2) If you're getting injured, something is wrong. You're doing too much too soon…

My running background.

I'm currently on my second running career.

I started running in my 30's, July 2002. I was 45 lbs heavier then, 185 lbs on a 5'8" frame. My first race was a half-marathon in early 2003. Dec 2003, I ran my first marathon. Between 2003 and 2007 I ran 4 marathons (4:22, 4:15, 3:54, 3:36) and a number of other races of shorter distances, but I was regularly having issues with both of my achilles tendons and was often having to take 1-3 week breaks. For a runner, taking breaks is frustrating to say the least. I'd done the whole shoe-fitting thing and different shoes didn't make a difference. At some point, I saw a podiatrist, who prescribed custom orthotics. I ran with those for a couple years, but orthotics didn't help either. (I'd like to point out: I probably had close to 1 lb on each foot in gear. I wear size 12 shoes, and those running orthotics were not light. By comparison, the shoes I wear now weigh ~ 6 oz.)

In 2009, I was in my best running shape to that point and pacing a marathon group, when at mile 17 my achilles took me out of the race. It hadn't recently been sore, and wasn't bothering me at all up to that point in the race. Just boom, it felt like something took a chunk out of my lower calf. After it didn't improve with a few days rest, I ended up at a PT. The PT had me run on a treadmill, evaluated my muscle strength, and diagnosed me with particularly weak hip muscles and prescribed various exercises for that.

Now I had never cross trained at this point. I had literally never been inside a gym. It was about 2 months of going to the PT every week before my achilles was no longer sore. But I'd also started a new demanding job at this time, and so I ended up not running very much from 2009-2012.

So that was my first career. I no longer have detailed logs from then, but I was probably running 1000-1200 miles/year. I ran okay, made steady improvements, but was often injured. Wanted to run Boston someday, but never imagined I could run that fast. (For those not aware, to run the Boston Marathon -- marathoners' Mecca -- you first have to qualify for it by running a certified marathon course sufficiently fast according to your age and gender.)

My second running career begins in late 2012. I needed to start running again, but knew I had to do something different. I had read Born to Run by this point, and decided to toss my orthotics and stability shoes, and just work toward the most minimal shoe I could comfortably run in. I also knew I needed to cross train, but wasn't disciplined enough to do that on my own. So I ended up at Crossfit, which I'd been hearing good things about.

(Let me apologize here as the Crossfit part of the story begins. Let me also remind you I had never been in a gym before 2013, much less Crossfit.)

Throughout 2013, I went to my Crossfit gym 3-5 days a week, and ran whenever I felt like it, mostly by feel. My goal, besides get back in shape and not suck at everything in Crossfit, was: enjoy running. But then another runner I met at the gym encouraged me to run a fall marathon, confident that I was running really strongly on a few runs we'd shared together. So that fall, off an improvised training plan and my fitness improvements from Crossfit, I ran a 3:22 marathon.

This was a gigantic improvement off my previous 3:36, really surprised me, and gave me hope of a BQ the following year. I finished out 2013 at ~ 1500 miles for the year, and importantly, no injuries.

For 2014, I continued with Crossfit and building my mileage, and trained for a fall marathon BQ, which I achieved with a 3:12. I finished 2014 at ~ 2000 miles. And still, no injuries.

For 2015, I set myself a goal of running a 3:05 marathon. I failed to achieve it at Boston (3:26) nor a fall marathon (3:16), due to it either being an overly aggressive goal, poor race strategy, or just having two bad race days (it happens). Nonetheless, I was really enjoying running at this point, and I allowed Crossfit to fall by the wayside as I no longer had time for it and running. This is probably a mistake that will at some point come back to bite me. But so far, knock on wood. The strength I gained from 2013 - mid-2015 has given me a body which can sustain vastly more miles than my pre-2013 self. I ended 2015 at 2500 miles and no injuries.

Now, this year is the year I've gone running crazy. I have a goal of 3000 miles, which I'm ahead of at 900 mi YTD. I have a second goal of running a marathon each month, and I'm ahead of that too. Each marathon I'm taking what the course, weather, and my body give me that day. January gave me a 3:16. February gave me a 3:08 (new PR). March gave me a 3:22 trail marathon, and a week later, a 3:42 on a warm humid day, where I just enjoyed the race and helped another runner I met on the course get in under her 3:45 goal.

So that's my running story so far.

TL;DRs:

- You need sufficient hip and core strength to run w/o getting injured.

- The back squat and deadlift are the most efficient exercises for gaining hip and core strength.

- You will gain aerobic capacity faster than you gain strength.

- Your aerobic capacity will allow you to run faster and more than your strength justifies.

- Especially tendons, ligaments and bones take a long time to get stronger.

- Patience grasshopper. Take time building your strength and allowing your body to adapt. Running is stressful!

- With sufficient strength, you can run as much as time allows.

- More running will make you a more efficient runner.

- Being a more efficient runner will make you a faster runner.

Last point: the body is amazingly adaptable. On Wednesday, I ran 48 miles in 24 hours across three runs (17, 18, 13). My 2007 body, that ran a 3:36 marathon, would have exploded trying to do that. I'm about to head out to a local ultra to pace folks for a few laps in the dark that are completing 100 miles in under 30 hours, some in under 15 hours. They've been running since 6 AM. They are all shapes and sizes, but I'll tell you what, they have resolve.

BTW, if you do decide to give Crossfit a try, a bit of warning. Key is finding a good one with coaches who know what they are doing. It's an affiliate model with no quality control at all. Anyone can open a Crossfit w/o really having a clue. Crossfit isn't perfect, but I enjoyed it (and need to get back...) for the supportive community, generally knowledgable coaches, and for how it benefited me as a runner.

Re: How to Start Running

#33
post #25

So much bad advice. (1) Actually it does matter how and where (relative to your body) you land your foot. Contrary to the article, many people do need to fix their "natural" form and/or get shoes that help them avoid pronation, both to avoid injury and to increase the enjoyment that will help them stick with it. (2) Similarly, the article's advice about stretching is way out of date. It's now consensus that static st…

Don't listen to music while training. Especially not as a beginner. Relax. While running. Personally I think some form stretching is useful - just my personal experience. I'm having a break for it at around 2km.

You're entitled to your opinion, but music is what pushes me to go hard and keeps me motivated in my runs. I literally run 25%+ faster with music on. Not only that, but it's just not nearly as enjoyable without the music (and the scenery).

If you listen to music, just wear good earbuds that don't block ambient noise, and don't crank it too loud.

Stretching: By now most runners know not to static stretch from cold start, but not stretching at all is a bad idea. In my experience static stretching after the run works great, and so does dynamic stretching after a substantial (1mi) warmup. Also, most runners don't know how to stretch their upper body. In my experience it's really important to stretch your back.

Re: How to Start Running

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post #12
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> Some people are natural heel-strikers while others tend to lead with their toes. The good news: neither form is inherently better than the other That is in opposite to common knowledge that heel-striking is worse, and leads to increased injuries.

Common knowledge? If anything, the preference seems like a fad to me. Plenty of elite runners heel-strike. I've been running for... a while. In high school, I was captain of the XC team. I finished 5th in the state and our team won the state meet.[1] The spring after that, I ran a 4:18 mile and a 9:07 two mile. In college, I competed in Division I NCAA XC. None of my coaches cared that I was a heel-striker. I've sinc…

  "Plenty of elite runners heel-strike."
I think the focus on heel vs. other strike is misleading. Sure, plenty of elite runners strike with their heels, but do they land their feet way in front of their body? That's the real fatal combination, and IMO the main reason to discourage a heel-heavy style is that most people can't overstride too badly with a fore- or mid-foot strike. Their quads won't let them. ;)

  "As the article says, It's best to just go with what feels comfortable"
I actually kind of agree, with the caveat that it's important to know warning signs and possible remedies. If someone's natural way of running continues to feel comfortable and keeps them injury-free, that's fantastic even if it's not the "correct" style that some books recommend. However, most people do need to make some adjustments and it's important to know when or how. Maybe you don't even remember when coaches were using that knowledge on your behalf to correct things that might have caused you trouble, but if you were running at that level in HS and college I'll bet it happened.

Re: How to Start Running

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Because of the HN crowd, chances that if you start rinning, you're going to start reading and studying the science behind it.

When you do, keep in mind that most studies have been done on elite athletes who self-selected themselves. They became elite because they had the right genes and trained properly. You might not have those genes.

There still is a lot of material saying that if you train you can increase your VO2 max, which has been shown to be true only for people with specific genes, a few years ago.

Re: How to Start Running

#36
post #24
post #13

The longest I've ever run in one go is 6 km. There was never any runner's high, just excruciating pain. For a good fraction of the population, running is fucking awful.

> There was never any runner's high, just excruciating pain. That's pretty normal. I run a lot , and runner's high is a very rare thing for me to experience. I think most people confuse it with the sense of accomplishment one often gets after a run. I've only felt a real high after very hard workouts. Very hard workouts. Workouts where my heart beats hard enough to break capillaries in my lungs, and the aerosolized b…

This sounds entirely psychosomatic. I've run several marathons and Ironman races and I would occasionally get a runner's high while training, where I felt like I could nearly sprint for long periods of time without fatigue. Definitely no mental effects, let alone anything that would make it "unsafe to drive". But I would mention this "high" to friends who were competitive runners and they all felt there was no such thing as a runner's high. They just had good workouts where they felt like they were fit and improving and bad workouts where they did not.

Re: How to Start Running

#37
This is a well-timed article for myself.

My girlfriend is a very keen runner, with a lot of half-marathons and triathlons under her belt.

I suffer from bad knees (and a back) partially due to previous injuries and having a slight case of scoliosis. She's encouraged me to start running with her. Today is the second rest day I've had this week and I'm already feeling better for it.

Next up is getting some proper trainers fitted (I walk weirdly to begin with).

Seriously, make time for running. Even a mile a day.

Re: How to Start Running

#38

The absolute best way to keep yourself running is to find a race, sign up for it, pay for it and put it on your calendar. I've wasted a lot of money thinking this way. Unless you're cash-strapped and it meant a lot buying that ticket/software/tool/book/etc, you just shrug it off and move to the next target. Money doesn't buy discipline. YMMV.

It didn't keep you training until at least the event date? Sure its not going to change your lifestyle forever, but it will at least force you to train so that you are not totally unprepared come race day.

Re: How to Start Running

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post #33
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't listen to music while training. Especially not as a beginner. Relax. While running. Personally I think some form stretching is useful - just my personal experience. I'm having a break for it at around 2km.

You're entitled to your opinion, but music is what pushes me to go hard and keeps me motivated in my runs. I literally run 25%+ faster with music on. Not only that, but it's just not nearly as enjoyable without the music (and the scenery). If you listen to music, just wear good earbuds that don't block ambient noise, and don't crank it too loud. Stretching: By now most runners know not to static stretch from cold sta…

Which is more important to you: "going hard" or being safe and considerate to those around you?

ETA: good point about stretching before vs. stretching after, though. I should have mentioned that, and so should the OP.

Re: How to Start Running

#40
post #14

As someone who's already run 900 miles and four marathons year-to-date, I'll add some hard won advice: 1) Do not be in a hurry. Most runners do way too much way too soon. You will likely get injured. You gain aerobic capacity in a matter of weeks to months. But soft tissues, tendons, ligaments, bone density... those takes years to adapt. 2) If you're getting injured, something is wrong. You're doing too much too soon…

Great advice. I want to emphasize #1 for anyone who's considering following the marathon training plan in the NY Times article.

The suggested marathon training plan has you doing a 9-mile run on week 4... And then 23 miles and 26 miles just a few months after starting to run (presumably). For a beginner, that's just begging for an injury from pushing too hard. Even for seasoned runners, it's not necessary to reach 26 miles when training for a marathon. Getting to 23 is usually enough.

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