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How to Start Running

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Re: How to Start Running

#11
So much bad advice.

(1) Actually it does matter how and where (relative to your body) you land your foot. Contrary to the article, many people do need to fix their "natural" form and/or get shoes that help them avoid pronation, both to avoid injury and to increase the enjoyment that will help them stick with it.

(2) Similarly, the article's advice about stretching is way out of date. It's now consensus that static stretching can not only reduce performance but increase chance of injury. The author weakly hints at some of this, but never actually recommends against static stretching like most would.

(3) Lastly, there's a pervasive assumption bordering on encouragement of people wearing headphones while they run. I realize there's a lot of controversy about this, but a responsible author would at least have mentioned that it's a safety issue as well as an aesthetic one. If you run all alone where there's no traffic - including pedestrian traffic - do whatever you want, but if you're running in crowded times or places it's irresponsible to deafen yourself. I've know runners who have both been injured and have caused injury to others because of this, so I'm not inclined to let that pass.

I'm sure many people could follow this author's advice and be fine, especially if they're young enough and slim enough that they've never had to overcome the barriers that face older/heavier runners. Good for her and good for them, but that doesn't mean her experience can or should be generalized to everyone. There are better sources. Just search for "beginner running advice" and pick anything, especially one of the articles from Runner's World. With all that was already out there - it's practically an industry - this one just doesn't cut it.

Re: How to Start Running

#12
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> Some people are natural heel-strikers while others tend to lead with their toes. The good news: neither form is inherently better than the other That is in opposite to common knowledge that heel-striking is worse, and leads to increased injuries.

Common knowledge? If anything, the preference seems like a fad to me. Plenty of elite runners heel-strike.

I've been running for... a while. In high school, I was captain of the XC team. I finished 5th in the state and our team won the state meet.[1] The spring after that, I ran a 4:18 mile and a 9:07 two mile. In college, I competed in Division I NCAA XC. None of my coaches cared that I was a heel-striker. I've since switched to forefoot, but noticed no difference in times or injuries.

If you're just getting into running, forefoot will be murder on your calf muscles and Achilles tendon. As the article says, It's best to just go with what feels comfortable. As you run more, your form will become smoother and more efficient.

1. 2002 Washington state AAAA boys results: http://www.jcrawford.net/boys4a02.html

Re: How to Start Running

#13
The longest I've ever run in one go is 6 km. There was never any runner's high, just excruciating pain.

For a good fraction of the population, running is fucking awful.

Re: How to Start Running

#14
As someone who's already run 900 miles and four marathons year-to-date, I'll add some hard won advice:

1) Do not be in a hurry. Most runners do way too much way too soon. You will likely get injured. You gain aerobic capacity in a matter of weeks to months. But soft tissues, tendons, ligaments, bone density... those takes years to adapt.

2) If you're getting injured, something is wrong. You're doing too much too soon, or you have a bio mechanical or strength issue. Running requires strong hips and a strong core. If these are weak, you will get injured. The injury will show up in your legs, so you'll look there. You'll buy new shoes. You'll foam role. You'll wear orthotics. The problem will not go away, because the problem is probably not in your legs.

3) Run as little as you need to to achieve your goals. The more you run, the more you increase risk of injury.

4) You probably need to run more than you think you need to. Beginner marathon training plans are a huge disservice. They'll get you to the finish, but you'll hate it. Wait till you've been running at least a couple years, that banging out a 13 mile run mid-week is no big deal, that you can easily handle a 50 mile week.

5) The shoe industry is a racket. Wear the lightest weight, most comfortable running shoes that you can tolerate. You probably don't need a motion control or stability shoe.

6) The key to not getting injured, besides having sufficient strength per above, is landing softly. Landing softly requires a quick step and not over-striding. Your feet should land under you, not out ahead of you. A good goal to aim for is 180 steps/minute. This is not easy for most people. Quick light step. Repeat that to yourself all the time during the run. (Aside: you run faster primarily by pushing off harder so that you cover more distance per step, not by over-striding, and not by increasing turnover.)

7) There's a lot of exercises you can do for core and hip strength. But none better than picking up a barbell and putting it down. Specifically the back squat and the dead lift. These two exercises will protect you from injury for life. Start doing them now. They will make you a better runner.

Edit: Beginner running advice - http://fellrnr.com/wiki/Running_for_Beginners (This is a better link than the Reddit Runnit FAQ I had previously linked to here.)

Edit 2: I've added my running background as a reply to this comment.

Edit 3: Running helps with weight loss. Weight loss helps with running. It's a virtuous cycle.

Edit 4: A few more links with good advice:

- Really, all of fellrnr - http://fellrnr.com/wiki/About_Fellrnr

- On having a light step - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/why-we-get-running-...

- On choosing shoes based on comfort - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/choosing-the-right-...

Re: How to Start Running

#15

So much bad advice. (1) Actually it does matter how and where (relative to your body) you land your foot. Contrary to the article, many people do need to fix their "natural" form and/or get shoes that help them avoid pronation, both to avoid injury and to increase the enjoyment that will help them stick with it. (2) Similarly, the article's advice about stretching is way out of date. It's now consensus that static st…

Can you elaborate what you mean regarding point three, when you mention the aesthetic part of the issue?

Re: How to Start Running

#16
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> Some people are natural heel-strikers while others tend to lead with their toes. The good news: neither form is inherently better than the other That is in opposite to common knowledge that heel-striking is worse, and leads to increased injuries.

I think the problem isn't so much how you strike, but what happens after you strike: if you find yourself pulling yourself forward with your knee joints after you strike, then that could cause knee injuries (and pulling tends to happen more with heel strikes). The focus should be on pushing yourself forward with the back foot, not worrying so much how your foot lands. I've had long conversations on this topic with a…

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Re: How to Start Running

#17
Nicely put together.

Some commentary though -

When I started running, it would have been very useful to have it drilled in to me that all "running" is not equal, and doesn't have to be at a fast clip, until that makes sense. Of course running 26 miles seems crazy based on what it feels like to "run" a mile when you're untrained and trying to go fast. Yes, that guide starts out suggesting a run/walk routine - however I think it would do new runners much service to explain what kind of paces there are, what they feel like, and why most of your running should be done at an easy one.

> First pick a race.

Why?! It really bugs me that so much of current running culture seems to be about earning that 13.1/26.2 sticker for your car, or getting that "Finisher" t-shirt. Certainly, completing races and achieving goals in general benefits our psyche and sense of accomplishment.

But running can be so much more than a sequence of training runs leading up to the all important race. Runs should be enjoyed. To me, one of the secrets of running, or at least - something that takes time to learn - is that running becomes much more enjoyable with experience, and you may have to put in some grind time to get there. When running 3 miles leaves you feeling completely wiped, the "runners' high" seems alien and unimaginable. As you get more experienced, AND learn to pace yourself, 3 miles seems short, and you probably won't feel into the groove until you're at least 1-2 miles in. When you have the fitness to casually run 5 miles through the park or on your favorite trail and feel good afterward - THAT's where running really starts to add balance and enjoyment to your day, imho.

When you've leveled up a bit, running becomes personal time, meditative, and leaves you refreshed. While people may discover this on their own - encouraging the mindset of, "Pick a distance, plop down some money for a bib, and train" - seems to encourage people to treat running as a means to an end, where the end (the race) just means it is time to pick a new goal (longer race, better time.)

Why not suggest people find a beautiful trail within an hour of where they live, that would take them a few hours to hike, and then run until they can experience the joy of gliding through that trail in a fraction of the time?

There's a lot of great information in that article, but I suppose I feel like it falls in to the trap of spending much more time on the "how" of running - how to pick a training plan, what shoes and socks to buy, how to eat, how to avoid injury, etc... - and not enough time on why it's worth it to put in all that work. Other than for the likes you'll get when you make your half-marathon completed Facebook post.

Re: How to Start Running

#18
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> Some people are natural heel-strikers while others tend to lead with their toes. The good news: neither form is inherently better than the other That is in opposite to common knowledge that heel-striking is worse, and leads to increased injuries.

It's not "common knowledge" especially for people who don't run, which is who the article is aimed at. It's also still a debatable issue. I'd say for new runners the key is to get into a routine and worry about stride only if it's causing you pain until you get to a more advanced stage.

Waiting until you feel pain is waiting too long. Every runner, from day one, should learn enough about running dynamics and injury causes that they can recognize and do something about bad form (even if it's only "bad for them" form) before it gets to that point. That's where the article missed a chance to help. A paragraph or two about foot landing and body angle, why they matter and what to do about them, would have done a world of good. It doesn't take much. Instead we get "neither is better" and "don't worry about pronation" and no mention at all of anything above the knee. While it's true that not everyone runs the same way or should - I'm a bit of a supinator and I'm not likely to change - it's still important for people to understand right from the start that different running styles will have different effects.

"Whatever you do is OK" will just lead some people to be miserable even if they're not actually injured. Like every skill, there's knowledge involved in running. I personally would not have kept running past that first day if I hadn't learned enough to know that my misery might be because I was doing it wrong and that running differently might be worth a try. The way to get people into running is to coach them into it and make sure their early experiences are positive ones.

Re: How to Start Running

#19
The absolute best way to keep yourself running is to find a race, sign up for it, pay for it and put it on your calendar.

I've wasted a lot of money thinking this way. Unless you're cash-strapped and it meant a lot buying that ticket/software/tool/book/etc, you just shrug it off and move to the next target. Money doesn't buy discipline. YMMV.

Re: How to Start Running

#20

So much bad advice. (1) Actually it does matter how and where (relative to your body) you land your foot. Contrary to the article, many people do need to fix their "natural" form and/or get shoes that help them avoid pronation, both to avoid injury and to increase the enjoyment that will help them stick with it. (2) Similarly, the article's advice about stretching is way out of date. It's now consensus that static st…

2) A little bit of stretching wont hurt, just don't do it too extensively. Stretching relaxes the muscles and increase range of motion, witch can have a positive effect on your running. It can also help the muscles "warm up". If stretching was so bad, you wouldn't see elite athletes do it, or cats and dogs.
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