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State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
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Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#52Do any modern CSS frameworks not rely on jQuery? I'm rather surprised that so many still do.
Some have alternative implementations of their JavaScript components, like the multiple versions of Angular BootStrap modules.
Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#53I've been a big fan of bootstrap, but I find that these CSS frameworks are becoming more and more irrelevant in the age of widespread flexbox support. CSS modules do put the last nail in the coffin.
I don't find this to be the case. There are a ton of conventions in Bootstrap, an obvious one being its variables, that are very useful when working in a team, and (in our experience) with outside contractors. I couldn't imagine giving up Bootstrap simply 'because flexbox'. Also flexbox support in IE is still terrible, so for those of us building sites for the open-web it's a non-starter for things where a 'just does…
By variables do you just mean the CSS pre-processors? My reason for asking is that it's not unique to Bootstrap at all (and, if they just use the default build, many designers will never even see them).
Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#54It's 2016 and Bootstrap still doesn't have native RTL support. Foundation had it (excellently) since 2013. When I'm building something for the local market, this has a major affect on my decision.
There was an attempt to do so. They were using an RTL-flipping tool and it all looked pretty cool (I built something with it) but then one of the people who manually flipped Bootstrap basically accused them of being culturally insensitive by trying to automate this task and they abandoned it.
Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#55I currently use Bootstrap, but have been looking at Bourbon recently along with it's suite of components (Neat, Bitters and Refills). It offers a nice set of mixins for semantic grids and common components. My only concern is working with other developers where Bootstrap is almost a common language.
I skipped Bootstrap in favor of Foundation in their earlier days, but like you I've settled in to using Bourbon mixins when I want to get my hands dirty, and Bootstrap when I just want to get up and running (and possibly hand off the project).
Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#56The key unanswered question, and for me the fundamental reason I switched from using Bootstrap to Foundation at work, is how designer friendly the two are. Bootstrap is fantastic when you want a site that looks like Bootstrap, these tend to be put together by developers. Foundation (at least was) much less opinionated and therefore when you're given a PSD by a designer much easier to implement. Have things improved o…
Is it really that hard? The templates on http://wrapbootstrap.com/ are fairly varied and don't tend to be obviously bootstrappy.
I agree with Andy here. I am finding more and more instances of bootstrap in the wild where I need to double check the source code to figure out whether or not it is Bootstrap. Most instances are obviously bootstrap but mostly because the developer doesn't have a designer involved and doesn't need one which is the beauty of it.
Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#57Has anyone tried some of the newer css frameworks? Lots of them are listed on cssdb [1]. I especially like skeleton [2]. [1] http://cssdb.co/ [2] http://getskeleton.com/
Skeleton isn't a framework. It was a set of opinionated CSS styles and a basic grid built by one guy. It's been unmaintained for years but it still works fine. This is my favorite fork of it- https://github.com/whatsnewsaes/Skeleton-Sass
Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#58I currently use Bootstrap, but have been looking at Bourbon recently along with it's suite of components (Neat, Bitters and Refills). It offers a nice set of mixins for semantic grids and common components. My only concern is working with other developers where Bootstrap is almost a common language.
Something I'm missing on Foundation and Bourbon[0] website is the self explanatory documentation. It is something that is very useful for me as I play around with Bootstrap, because I can find the section of functionality I need and then almost copy and paste their example code or inspect the element to understand it better.
Did I just miss something obvious or does it not exist?
[0]: http://bourbon.io/
Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#59One thing Foundation is doing that I haven't seen done anywhere else is Foundation for Emails (http://foundation.zurb.com/emails.html). It's a build process that lets you design responsive HTML email templates that will work in most clients. There are so many quirks in Outlook, Gmail, etc that its nearly impossible to keep up, so it's great to have a team of people dedicated to abstracting it away for designers.
Re: State of Bootstrap 4 vs. Foundation
#60My concern with both of these is that I'm slapping classes on all of my UI everywhere. Why can't a button just get all of the bootstrap btn styles automatically? Why not have forms look right just by selecting the elements that make them up? This is a problem for Foundation too. Does anyone know why they have chosen to do this?