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Fuck Nuance [pdf]

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This article is a truly fantastic critique of how modern social sciences (besides economics) are carried out and publicized in modern society. Any critique one dislikes - typically "your theory predicts X which is false" - can be dismissed by "nuance", "things are more complicated", "that's different in unspecified way", etc. In statistical terms, these dismissals are little more than a call for overfitting - if I ca…

It is a fantastic article, but I don't think excessive, obsessive nuance is what plagues most people here. In any event, don't take it too far. In dynamical system, your theory can be simple and predict observation 100% yet be completely wrong -- not just a little wrong -- and fail to model any of the actual dynamics (e.g. x = 0 and x = t are both completely predictive, yet entirely false, models of x" = 0). It is those simplified theories that are no more than empirical observation, and suffer from another kind of overfitting.

> In statistical terms, these dismissals are little more than a call for overfitting. can arbitrarily add more dimensions to a theory, I can make it fit any data set.

In order to fit any social data set, you may need dozens if not hundreds of variables. If your data set contains many millions of data points, telling you that there may be four variables instead than two is certainly not "a call for overfitting"; it is no more excessive nuance than the entirety of special+general relativity. Or, don't use this as an excuse to stop questioning your theory once it predicts behavior in one setting. You may have completely missed the mark by misjudging the order of the equation. Let alone, when your theory doesn't even fit the data we have -- just the data you have -- it's nothing more than amateurism; don't confuse amateur smart-assedness with any sort of profundity; it is often wrong in the most boring way: uninformed wrong.

Intuition that comes from years of study of human behavior may help a lot, but some believe they can come up with theories without spending the time to earn their intuition first. Whether overly nuanced or over-simplified, I think the chances that any of their theories are correct -- especially if they put little effort in forming them -- are low.

And one thing is certain: the less you know, the far more likely it is that you'll err on the side of over-simplification than over-nuance. This paper is a warning to experts, who know enough to err with over-care. Amateurs (of the non-humble kind) are indeed completely protected from this particular kind of error by their ignorance, especially if they don't have the basic tools to even assess the system's level of complexity.

This paper is a call against obsessive, exaggerated nuance. Not a call for oversimplification and sloppiness. And while one can err on both sides, historically, errors of over-simplification (when it comes to social theories) have been much more detrimental to the human race than errors of nuance. The latter kind may cause boring science; the former has led to atrocities. I think that many of the calls for more nuance are just warnings against careless errors of the first kind, simply because they are far more dangerous than errors of the second kind.

Re: Fuck Nuance [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In statistical terms, these dismissals are little more than a call for overfitting - if I can arbitrarily add more dimensions to a theory, I can make it fit any data set. Sure. However, this leads me to believe it is statistics that are the problem, and not nuance. You are in my opinion admitting that nuance invalidates most statistics, or at least allows for heavy manipulation of the statistics to fit any narrativ…

No, on the contrary I'm saying that calls for nuance are often excuses to do bad statistics and bad science. Rather than throwing away our theories because they predict X and the world does Y, they instead say "actually the theory only applies under vague unspecified circumstances which you'd understand if you were as nuanced as I". Whether or not the theory fits the data, they cry "intersectionality" or "humans are…

> I'm saying that calls for nuance are often excuses to do bad statistics and bad science.

Absolutely. But at least as often, calls for nuance are calls for better statistics and better science. How do you know which is which? Judgement. You can only say "fuck nuance" once you've demonstrated good judgment.

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Can we un-capitalize "Nuance"? For a second I thought it refers to the speech technologies company.

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/rules-for-capitalization-in-...

I think the better and more useful idea would be to stop naming companies and products after very general and widely used words, no matter how tempting it may be to decorate stuff with the associations those words evoke. That never had merit to begin with, and I certainly don't see why general good faith use of language should be restricted by such shenanigans.

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I realized as I was reading this that I know very little about sociology as a discipline. In particular, I'm unaware of any of its "Great Theories", a la General Relativity for physics, or Darwinian Evolution for biology. Any candidates? I'm not trying to be snide, I really would like to learn more about this. The Wikipedia page for sociology describes "theories" that sound more like schools of thought.

It seems like memetics wants to be for sociology what genetics is for evolution and biology, but as far as I know they haven't been able to trace "memes" back to their neurological roots. It's an interesting idea but won't dislodge prevailing schools of thought until/unless it has its own Watson and Crick moment.

Or, as the old chestnut goes, the old guard dies off.

Re: Fuck Nuance [pdf]

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Can we un-capitalize "Nuance"? For a second I thought it refers to the speech technologies company.

Titles can't all be unambiguous, and it seems unfair to let air out of this one's balloon.

Re: Fuck Nuance [pdf]

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I think when debate comes down to differences in ideology and idiosyncracy, it's at the end of debating because these differences are impossible to compromise (they are all legitimate).

And the world is at a point that everybody can believe in everything and all these beliefs are all grounded and justificable (using the available tools and knowledge we've accumulated).

To deal with the somewhat disturbing thought that the world doesn't need to be saved, I resort to the mantra that: eventually, the reason we read, the reason we write, the choice we make, everyday, is just because we feel like.

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I call this the "abstraction paradox". There is no way that an abstraction can fully equate what it abstracts. "Apple" could never equal a real apple. But abstraction allows us to think about real apples. In science, all theories and models are abstractions. Hence, they are always approximations, and can be invalidated or nullified with edge cases that can indeed be backed by evidence. But the opposite is also true.…

Abstractions need not be approximations. Schroedinger's equation is an abstraction, but as far as we know it's exact.

Schrodinger's equation doesn't even include special relativistic effects. It's not exact (at least not if you mean it exactly describes nature in general). Neither is Dirac's equation; it includes special relativistic effects for a single particle, but not general relativistic effects or multi-particle interactions (at least as far as I understand it).

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I call this the "abstraction paradox". There is no way that an abstraction can fully equate what it abstracts. "Apple" could never equal a real apple. But abstraction allows us to think about real apples. In science, all theories and models are abstractions. Hence, they are always approximations, and can be invalidated or nullified with edge cases that can indeed be backed by evidence. But the opposite is also true.…

Abstractions need not be approximations. Schroedinger's equation is an abstraction, but as far as we know it's exact.

Schroedinger's equation isn't a theory. It's a law. And like other laws (F = ma) doesn't account for a bunch of other things. So yes, it still is an approximation.

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I call this the "abstraction paradox". There is no way that an abstraction can fully equate what it abstracts. "Apple" could never equal a real apple. But abstraction allows us to think about real apples. In science, all theories and models are abstractions. Hence, they are always approximations, and can be invalidated or nullified with edge cases that can indeed be backed by evidence. But the opposite is also true.…

Abstractions need not be approximations. Schroedinger's equation is an abstraction, but as far as we know it's exact.

What is Schroedinger's equation an abstraction of? What details does it abstract from? How can it be that the omission of those details does not result in an inexact representation of the unabstracted, more complete, situation?

BTW, there are no exact solutions to the Schroedinger equation of most interesting systems: we only get numerical approximations to the values of interest from it.

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