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Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by 5ilv3r »

fiatmoney wrote: post #8

You'd think that someone could just come out and say exactly which of his views are so terrible, instead of pointing at his entire multiple-book-length blog and "wow just wow"ing.

That would not help solve the issue at hand. In fact that would make it worse.

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by fiatmoney »

5ilv3r wrote: post #12
fiatmoney wrote: post #8

You'd think that someone could just come out and say exactly which of his views are so terrible, instead of pointing at his entire multiple-book-length blog and "wow just wow"ing.

That would not help solve the issue at hand. In fact that would make it worse.

I'm not saying the organizers should. As far as I can tell his detractors are reluctant to do anything but point and sputter nonspecifically.

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by crispyambulance »

fiatmoney wrote: post #8

You'd think that someone could just come out and say exactly which of his views are so terrible, instead of pointing at his entire multiple-book-length blog and "wow just wow"ing.

Here's it in a nutshell... http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/22/geeks-for-monarchy/

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by vitno »

fiatmoney wrote: post #8

You'd think that someone could just come out and say exactly which of his views are so terrible, instead of pointing at his entire multiple-book-length blog and "wow just wow"ing.

The character of Moldbug (which I don't even know if it is actually what the author truly believes, it was always designed as a pen name) is a neo-reactionary. Ex: He is definitely a racist, with the belief of genetic differences in attitude that contributed to slavery. [1]

Now, I don't like those beliefs at all. I do think that LC made the right decision though. Inclusiveness is a good policy, and no matter how certain more authoritarianly inclined progressives are spinning this, that's what this is. Assuming no one is threatened, and he isn't promoting his politics, he should have a chance of going through the (anonymized!) entry process and talking about the really weird and awesome Urbit.

[1] http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.fr/2009/07/why-carl...

edit: One of my main philosophical issues with Moldbug (besides the repugnancy), is that he is internally inconsistent. He might refute that later on. I dunno, he's spewed out literally tens of thousands of pages of text.

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by SEMW »

> we read or skimmed nearly everything the speaker has written online (which is no small task)

Ouch. Must've been an almost sisyphean task in Moldbug's case. Dude's the most prolix blogger I've ever come across.

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by [deleted] »

vitno wrote: post #15
fiatmoney wrote: post #8

You'd think that someone could just come out and say exactly which of his views are so terrible, instead of pointing at his entire multiple-book-length blog and "wow just wow"ing.

The character of Moldbug (which I don't even know if it is actually what the author truly believes, it was always designed as a pen name) is a neo-reactionary. Ex: He is definitely a racist, with the belief of genetic differences in attitude that contributed to slavery. [1] Now, I don't like those beliefs at all. I do think that LC made the right decision though. Inclusiveness is a good policy, and no matter how cert…

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Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by Animats »

From the article: "Well, I believe in free-market capitalism. A well-known and popular programmer has tweeted, repeatedly, that he supports violence (real violence, e.g., the firing squad) for people who believe that."

Well, that's a political position with sizable historical backing. The people behind the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and China's revolution would all have agreed.

"Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workingmen of all countries, unite!" - Marx.

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by [deleted] »

[deleted] wrote: post #17
vitno wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The character of Moldbug (which I don't even know if it is actually what the author truly believes, it was always designed as a pen name) is a neo-reactionary. Ex: He is definitely a racist, with the belief of genetic differences in attitude that contributed to slavery. [1] Now, I don't like those beliefs at all. I do think that LC made the right decision though. Inclusiveness is a good policy, and no matter how cert…

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Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

#20

Post by cespare »

vitno wrote: post #15
fiatmoney wrote: post #8

You'd think that someone could just come out and say exactly which of his views are so terrible, instead of pointing at his entire multiple-book-length blog and "wow just wow"ing.

The character of Moldbug (which I don't even know if it is actually what the author truly believes, it was always designed as a pen name) is a neo-reactionary. Ex: He is definitely a racist, with the belief of genetic differences in attitude that contributed to slavery. [1] Now, I don't like those beliefs at all. I do think that LC made the right decision though. Inclusiveness is a good policy, and no matter how cert…

> I do think that SL made the right decision though.

I assume you mean LambdaConf, not StrongLoop.

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